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Sep. 13th, 2006

"The time has come."

Yep, now it's my turn to share my own horror story about the artist known in the furry community as Ashryn. I've put off doing this for a very long time due to the fact that, at one time, I would liked to have considered this person my friend. But times have changed, and I am now feeling sorely ripped off and neglected. I'm pretty sure most, if not all of her commissioners are feeling this way as well.

Way, WAY back in the day, about five years ago, I paid Ashryn $150 for a black and white ink and pencil piece. At the time, I was doing her a favor, as she had advertised in her LJ that she was short on funds and needed the cash. I was also short on funds, but I don't like to see friends in bad places, so I scrounged up the money and sent it on over. I knew it would be awhile in seeing any progress on my piece, but I said nothing and watched as the months passed on by.

I'd like to also mention that Ashryn and I both shared a deep love for all things Silent Hill. When the third game came out, she found herself short on funds again, and she offered a full-colour piece in exchange for it. I obliged and sent the game out the same day I got my copy. The piece was finished, and is one of her more popular images in her gallery: SH3- Life After Death. Yes, folks, this piece was done for me and requested by me. Well, guess what? Once the piece was done, Ashryn told me that she "felt she had spent too much time on it" and "it was worth more than the measly game" I had given her for it. I was told that if I wanted the piece, that I had to give her more money and that if this was "not agreeable," she would be happy to send me a print. I don't know about you folks, but in my book, a promise is a promise, and a deal is a deal. To this day, I have yet to see this piece in my possession. I refused to pay her more money for something we had mutually agreed upon.

Well, another year or so went by, and I saw her offering OC commissions. I knew she already owed me a piece, but I went ahead and paid her more money for two more commissions. One of them was promptly finished over the weekend. The other is still floating in limbo, probably in the same place that my first commission went.

I'm now being told (as well as the other people commissioning her) that she is no longer working with traditional media, and all traditional commissions she has taken will be converted to OpenCanvas or Illustrator. She says this is a non-negotiable policy. This upsets me a little, since her digital works are far less superior than her traditional works (this is a matter of my opinion), and I'm not getting what I originally paid for. I approached her and asked if they absolutely had to be digital, if I could change the subject matter of the commission, since, you know, it's been five years. I was told that, no, I could not change the subject matter, since what I wanted to change it to (humans instead of "furries") were "more complicated" and that she "just doesn't have the time to spend doing it." Hmmmm. I think I've certainly spent the time waiting, though, wouldn't you agree?

To sum this all up, Ashryn owes me roughly $250 worth of artwork (one Illustrator piece, one black and white traditional media piece, and three icons that I never mentioned but are still part of her tab). She also owes me the original of Life After Death. To be perfectly honest, I don't think I'm ever going to see any of what she owes me, and that includes the already-finished piece. I am not insulting her on a personal level - after all, we used to be friends - but I really think that people need to be made aware that she has been taking money from commissioners for years and only putting out a fraction of the art that she owes people. Yes, I understand perfectly that it takes awhile to finish up a refined piece of artwork, but my question to that is this: If you know you can't finish the art in a timely, professional manner, then why are you still eager to take peoples' money? :/
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mix_hyenataur
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:35 am (UTC)
One word: DIE!
Even though I dislike watermarks, I find this INSULTING that she does not leave a watermark for you peice ONLINE. Thus, ANYONE can make a print. (My only greif about watermarks is when they are on the final product sent to the person that commishioned it.)

Her excuse: "I'm just lazy and blah..."
dinogrrl
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:53 am (UTC)
Re: One word: DIE!
Well, not necessarily. If you post the picture at a small enough resolution, any print made from it will be crap whether or not it has a watermark.

But...this person is starting to sound like yet another underage/immature person who doesn't have any clue that the people on the other side of the internet are real people...even if their money is real enough. And someone who has no sense of business ethics. Meh.
Re: One word: DIE! - fierycatthing - Sep. 13th, 2006 05:05 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: One word: DIE! - dinogrrl - Sep. 13th, 2006 05:49 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: One word: DIE! - slow_mo_panda - Sep. 13th, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC) - Expand
yiffyraptor
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:37 am (UTC)
Okay, I'm going to have to totally post my own story now. :o
tizzrah
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
I don't think it would be a bad idea to do so. I'm hoping that my post and the posters' before mine will "break the ice," so to speak, and show the community that this is not a single incident.
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filthy_animal
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:51 am (UTC)
Wow... this kinda of attitude towards commissions is pathetic.
scappo
Sep. 13th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC)
It's true...

I commissioned Ashryn a while ago, and even e-mails that I have sent asking whether my money made it to her or not have gone unanswered. She's a highly skilled artist that I do admire for her raw skill, but when it comes to deadlines, communication, and productivity, she's lacking, unfortunately. I don't want to insult her, because I don't even know her. But, in my opinion, there must be a standard to which most artists must adhere to when handling the money and ideas of commissioners.

After all, the commissioner is not only trusting the artist with their hard earned (stolen?) cash, and with their ideas. The least the artist could do is deliver results (or at least progress) in a timely manner.
goldrose
Sep. 13th, 2006 07:30 am (UTC)
Here's me not surprised. Meh. She holds anyone who isnt herself in such low regard. Commissions or not. Doesnt she still owe someone over $700 in artwork?
thaily
Sep. 13th, 2006 07:49 am (UTC)
Speaking of commissions, omg, log on to aye cee queueu?
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schnee
Sep. 13th, 2006 09:32 am (UTC)
*blinks* Goodness. That's the kind of situation where I'd probably just demand a refund, set her a deadline, and - if she doesn't cough up the money by then - sell the debt to a collection agency who will break her legs.

Well, OK, maybe one that doesn't do that. :) But still.
haricotvert
Sep. 13th, 2006 03:08 pm (UTC)
can you do something like that tho? well, not as extreme. but like threaten a lawsuit?
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skanrashke
Sep. 13th, 2006 03:07 pm (UTC)
That sucks, but it does seem like a piece that she'd have requested more for. Its' fine that you don't want to give her extra money, and she should just give yout he piece and have an awesome looking piece in her gallery in exchange, but it wouldn't be out of line for you to give her extra cash for her trouble, either, although she shouldn't demand it. If she'd ASKED nicely for it, then yea, its' not out of line.
tizzrah
Sep. 13th, 2006 10:29 pm (UTC)
I will not argue the fact that the piece was and is worth more than what was "paid" for it. However, the deal was sealed before the piece was ever started, therefore it was her choice to spend as much time and effort on it as was done, knowing even at the time of progress that it was for someone else.

Ashryn doesn't know how to ask nicely. All she knows how to do is present ultimatums and new agendas to you in the shittiest way possible.
haricotvert
Sep. 13th, 2006 03:07 pm (UTC)
first off, i'm really iffy about requests for payment full-up. for exactly this reason. i don't care how good you are. i refuse to pay the entire amount up front before even seeing a sketch. half-and-half is good enough, you'd think. they want the rest of their money so badly? they'd just have to finish it within a timely manner then.
haricotvert
Sep. 13th, 2006 03:09 pm (UTC)
that's my own policy anyway.
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giza
Sep. 13th, 2006 03:16 pm (UTC)
> I'm now being told (as well as the other people commissioning her) that she
> is no longer working with traditional media, and all traditional commissions
> she has taken will be converted to OpenCanvas or Illustrator. She says this
> is a non-negotiable policy.

Um... no. One does NOT take peoples' money and THEN change the terms of the deal, unless there is a written contract stating otherwise.

If she doesn't want to use "traditional media", and the commissioner does not want OpenCanvas or Illustrator commissions, then she should refund the money. Anything else is walking the boundaries of both ethicality and legality.
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