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WHO: Millenium-Millie-Gryphon AKA Millie AKA Onyx AKA Onyx Art Studios

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/millenium-millie-gryphon

WHAT: 2 x circus poster style images of my otter shape

WHEN: Claimed slots, provided references and paid on February 14th. Inquired on progress April 10th, got response and first pic on April 16th, which was of a wrong character. After informing the artist of that, she did the second pic, then said she will redraw this one, then delayed past the paypal dispute deadline after which stopped responding to notes (still reading them and taking other commissions).

EXPLAIN: Millie opens these commissions via journals/picture announcements on a regular basis. I took two slots and sent info February 14th, 2017, paid same day.

After no progress for a couple months, I’ve contacted Millie on April 10th to check on the progress, and got a response with one image April 16th. There was one problem with that though, it was a wrong character, which I told her. We have reconfirmed the correct references, and May 7th, I got the second picture. That one was pretty well done. I again informed Millie that the first one was wrong, and also mentioned that it was supposed to go with another picture with the same subject from another artist. I have also requested the picture with the wrong character taken down. She said she will redraw it, then it took a series of delays until paypal dispute deadline has expired (in hindsight, I should have opened it, but her staying in communication and being polite kind of led me astray). After that, she stopped responding to notes while reading them, being active and offering further commissions.

PROOF: https://imgur.com/a/eJB32

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Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.


Oct. 9th, 2017 09:01 pm (UTC)
While I think it's important to leave room for doubt, you should probably also consider that the person making the beware knows what they're taking about, hence why they've escalated the issue to a beware.

With all due respect, I frequently see you on beware posts telling the commissioners 'Are you absolutely sure this happened how you think it happened?', 'Maybe the artist got the colors/design right and you're just mistaken?' 'Maybe you're not being ignored, despite notes being unread, but it's somwthing else?' and while yes, mistakes and misunderstandings do happen, I think you should give a little more credit to the person making the beware, especially when unlike the commissioner, you haven't seen the picture.

I think they know better than anyone else what their own characters look like, and how the issue happened.

I'm sure the commissioner has already considered every possible scenario (given that they're the one directly involved), and wouldn't have gone to the extent of making a beware if they weren't 100% positive that they character the artist drew isn't the character they paid to have drawn. And even if the artists had just made a mistake with the shading or the colors or the bodytype of the species, they still have an obligation to deliver what the buyer paid for.

If I commission a pink cat and because a mistake on the artist's part with the anatomy and shading it ends up looking like a red ferret, even if it's a mistake, it's still not what I asked for, and failure to make corrections and deliver something that actually looks like my character is bad business practice.

(I hope this doesn't come across as rude or anything! I guess I don't quite understand the relevancy of the artist's intent and questioning so much the customer's experience, when the point of the beware is that the buyer didn't get the product they paid for.)

Edited at 2017-10-09 09:18 pm (UTC)
Oct. 9th, 2017 10:58 pm (UTC)
Actually literally this entire time, I've been trying to ask "was it the WRONG DESIGN" or was it "not in keeping with the character of the character", because the commissioner says both things in reference to the problem here, but not TO the artist when they explain the problem. I think there's a big difference between if they used the wrong reference and if the commission didn't capture the essence of the character, especially if that initial note is ALL the artist had to go on. That's what I've been asking, and the commissioner has replied back here with the exact same wording every time that doesn't answer that question.

Saying that they may have gotten confused by the amount of references was an assumption I made based on the commissioner posting here and explaining to the artist that it was 'out of character'.

Also considering the OP's comments back, I'd say commissioner beware, too.
Oct. 9th, 2017 11:27 pm (UTC)
As the person below says it's VERY confusing how it's written, and no where do I state the commissioner doesnt know what theyre talking about and even say the artist should fix it. They include info about a 3rd piece from a different artist which just confuses things, as well as someone else stated otters are VERY hard for people to draw, and even mind end up looking like bears. No refs were given so we dont know if its simple both characters are identical and just a different species, or if one is say... a blue otter, and a rainbow bear.

I am not good with words/wording (or reading internet tone) so things come off more blunt than I intend, but I was taught 'never trust just words' there is actually NO proof the artist drew it wrong and with the actual confusing other issues, it should have been included that it was wrong. We (the commentors) just dont know at all what the characters look like because the images arent included, or the refs.

Im not the only user confused on the topic as per the other commentors either.

Ive been required to include insane amounts of proof for bewares so Im honestly confused why there is no proof of the art or it drawn wrong.

Im clarifying that Im not saying that is what happened, Im pretty sure I even say its not that likely it was just a species issue, "They were clearly only linked the otter refs so Im not sure HOW they could get the wrong character unless notes were left out?"

Your post comes off like Im saying the buyer is clearly lying, when I specifically ask how they could have messed it up since they were never linked anything but an otter.
Oct. 9th, 2017 11:53 pm (UTC)
mod comment
Alright, this whole thread has veered off course. We'll be freezing it now.

Also please bear in mind that questioning why this is a beware is against rule 5. Proof of the images isn't necessary in this case as it's not a quality issue. The artist acknowledged the incorrect character was drawn, and hasn't made up for it as promised.


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