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Paypal Chargeback Question

I've tried to research this question, but I'm having a hard time finding any straight forward answers.

I had a chargeback on one of my invoices yesterday. The invoice is back from Oct 9th, and the item was delivered to the customer Oct 13.

I responded to the dispute with all our correspondences and the proof of delivery, and the image itself. However, they refunded the client's money anyhow. I promptly got a hold of the client and they informed me that their paypal had been hacked, and a lot of fraudulent charges were being made with their paypal, so they had to close their paypal account and visit their bank to file a claim.

They replied to a couple of messages I sent them on FA, and seemed apologetic, but when I asked for an estimated time I could expect the money back, they stopped responding.

Another thing I'm not sure about is the fact that had paid two invoices with me just a couple days apart, and only one of the invoices was disputed.

I'm not sure how all this works, or how I should go about this. Really, I'm thinking I should just let it go, especially if she just had an unfortunate incident occur like this. I can definitely imagine she has a lot on her plate as it stands, without me adding to it.

But any insight would be nice!

Thanks guys.

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laughsatthunder
Nov. 28th, 2016 03:03 pm (UTC)
I actually had to deal with something similar to this for the first time earlier this year for six months (the thrilling saga: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/908926.html)

Long story short, I had refunded them both supplies and money and they put up a dispute because the father didn't understand how much money went into the supplies and wanted all of his money back even though he was not involved in the transaction. When PayPal sided in my favor they went to their bank and disputed it there, re-opening the case. I -think- PayPal sided in their favor which would cause me to lose $1,350 as they had disputed the full amount, however PayPal was gracious enough to pay that for me and I didn't lose a dime. Go figure.

EDIT: He had lied to PayPal and said that he hadn't received the product and kept changing his reason to make sure he got his money back.

The most important thing you can do is CALL PAYPAL. Seriously. Their e-mail or online systems are horrible, they do not get back to you in a timely manner and if they do it's a regurgitated response. The people over the phones are very kind and will sympathize with you.

The next step would be to take pictures and provide proof of completion or, as in my case, proof of delivery. It appears you already did that so why they still decided in the client's favor is beyond me.

If their PayPal was hacked as they claim and they had to go to their bank they still should ask you (assuming you were communicating with them) before filing a claim. That's kind of crappy of them to just do that, especially since they received the product. People say "My PayPal was hacked, I didn't mean to file a claim!" often, it would make up a good chunk of bewares on here or instances that I've seen. I don't understand the mentality behind trying to get your money back after you have given your OK to an artist and have received a satisfying product.
In other words, don't fall for it.

Sorry about your situation, stuff like this is so crappy.

Edited at 2016-11-28 03:04 pm (UTC)
scarab_blue
Dec. 1st, 2016 01:21 am (UTC)
By the way, how did that whole thing turn out? I read the post a while ago and god damn, that was like a Homeric saga of crap.
laughsatthunder
Dec. 1st, 2016 01:37 am (UTC)
You'll have to excuse me as I try to remember the finished outcome as my brain has tried to block out those six months.

Long story shortened:
First claim made, they changed the reason several times. Called PayPal a lot, had it decided in my favor the day after AC (so early July). August 3rd I landed in Orlando for Megaplex and found out they filed a second claim, freaked out, called them some more. They had filed the second claim through their bank as a dispute for a purchase they didn't make. PayPal decided in their favor but paid for it themselves so I didn't pay a penny. No idea why.

So they got the supplies and refund minus the 30% downpayment from me, plus $1,350 from PayPal. So roughly $2,300.
scarab_blue
Dec. 1st, 2016 02:12 am (UTC)
Jesus, these people. At least Paypal paid for their full bogus refund instead of you, but still. I'd be shocked if they didn't try something like this again now that they know they have a good shot of getting away with it. At least you can move on with your life now.
laughsatthunder
Dec. 1st, 2016 02:27 am (UTC)
Oh no, they're still trying. I've been approached at the last three conventions I've been to and received personal messages from other fursuit makers about her trying to contact them in regards to them finishing the fursuit I started or a whole new suit altogether. It makes me incredibly grateful Artists Beware exists and that the database is so well organized and ran.

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