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Beware: AutopsyJuice

WHO: AutopsyJuice / LeftoverAutopsyJuice

WHERE: https://picarto.tv/LeftoverAutopsyJuice
http://autopsyjuice.deviantart.com/
http://autopsy-juice.tumblr.com/
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/leftoverautopsyjuice/ (disabled account)


WHAT: Two sets of digital colour character sheets. Total cost was US$ 210

WHEN: December 2013. Artist was paid fully in advance.


PROOF:

2013 Paypal Payment: https://vgy.me/Nr2TD6.jpg
2016 reestablishment of contact: https://vgy.me/ULSF2B.jpg
2016 chat on Picarto: https://vgy.me/R6gvs3.jpg

EXPLAIN: Initially this commission went well, with the first half of the art completed in good time and to my general satisfaction. First character sheet was completed around February 2014. The artist was then left to complete the rest of the commission. Personal life upheavals ensued in mid 2014, and I did not have the time to check in on the artist’s progress. No attempt was made by the artist to contact me from that time to this.

In May 2016 I re-established contact with the artist, who seemed agreeable to finishing the commission. Subsequent attempts to contact them, though their DA account, Skype and private messaging on their Picarto stream yielded no response. Only in September 2016, when asking to speak via the public chat on their Picarto, did they reply.

At that point I was told that they wanted to do something, but that they neither had the money to refund the remainder of the commission payment, nor the time to finish the commission. No practical means of achieving a resolution was offered. The dispute is ongoing.
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celestinaketzia
Sep. 23rd, 2016 06:11 pm (UTC)
All I have to say is wow! Beware well warranted and then some. They're not even apologetic in the slightest, and the way they communicate just kind of makes the fact that you're out this money a huge joke to them.
jakkal
Sep. 23rd, 2016 06:19 pm (UTC)
That was exactly my thought too, seeing how they communicate. That'd be a huge red flag to me. I can understand casual communications to a point, but that's over the top.

It's like talking to a cartoon character or a clown.
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fackao
Sep. 23rd, 2016 06:20 pm (UTC)
The way they speak to you is rly guilt-trippy too? And not very professional.
sbneko
Sep. 23rd, 2016 06:38 pm (UTC)
How they're speaking to you is horrible, but it wouldn't be so bad if that's just how they were. But taking a quick look at their submissions, they talk pretty normally, other then random caps sometimes. Unless I'm wrong?

So that definitely gives me the idea that they really don't care and are just stringing you along.
starcharmer
Sep. 26th, 2016 07:53 am (UTC)
That actually is pretty par for the course language for them.
laughsatthunder
Sep. 23rd, 2016 07:51 pm (UTC)
The deviantART notes made me uncomfortable, but as soon as I opened the link to the Picarto chat and read, "AHHH YES, I most certainly have!! I've been avoiding you too much!"

well.
tylociraptor
Sep. 23rd, 2016 08:33 pm (UTC)
The "lol i need a thesaurus" comments are just... wow. This is not the way to communicate as a business person. I can be fairly familiar in tone with some repeat customers, and I make for a friendly sounding email, but this is just ... not alright, at all.
spartanwerewolf
Sep. 23rd, 2016 08:57 pm (UTC)
I'm a casual/jokey person too but you can be that way and still be professional. This is... like junior high level of running a business.
rueq
Sep. 23rd, 2016 09:39 pm (UTC)
They're speaking almost as if they're a game character and it's quite patronising, actually? Bizarre!
noxatrum
Sep. 23rd, 2016 11:30 pm (UTC)
Wow. This is really disappointing. I commissioned them several times back when they were on FA and they were a bit campy in the way they talked/interacted in the streams I got art in but they were extremely nice. This makes me sad.

I hope you're able to get some resolution.
talentedfool
Sep. 24th, 2016 12:05 am (UTC)
I actually had to come back to this an hour and a morning coffee because I was just seeing red. I mean, first of all you have all my respect and admiration for dealing with this so patiently and remaining so polite throughout the interactions. You cannot receive enough credit for how you handled this.

In the exact words of the friend I showed this to because I was in such utter disbelief: "What the fuck they talk like a video game cowboy character". I don't have a problem with people talking with a certain online characterisation, or in third person, or with weird quirks, but there's a point in business where you should drop the persona, otherwise it becomes really hard to take you seriously and trust you in a professional capacity. Present yourself professionally if you want to be trusted professionally.

I think what really had me ticked off was how they were basically using this weird video game way of speaking to basically be incredibly cruel to you. Telling you point blank they're avoiding you, have no intention to refund you, or even do the work, and literally laughing in your face about it? I'm so furious over that attitude. What a belittling way to treat another human being. If I had been in your position I would have been blowing my fucking top, so honestly again, kudos to you for your calm and civil handling of this person.

I'm just flabbergasted by their attitude. Even if they come through on the money or art in the end I couldn't imagine ever commissioning this person. I absolutely could not stomach being spoken to in such a dismissive and belittling way.
Rhyn Ghye
Sep. 24th, 2016 12:18 am (UTC)
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Even if someone was a reliable artist, this way of talking to someone is, if nothing else, downright creepy.
I personally think when it comes to handling any sum of money (let alone over $200!), all "acts" should be dropped, it's rather inappropriate, off-putting, and in this case, will lose you many potential customers.
When you start selling something regularly, you have to act you're a business and NOT completely unhinged.
You wouldn't walk into Walmart and put up with the help desk lady talking like this!
whoop_zi
Sep. 24th, 2016 12:37 am (UTC)
I've never seen anything like this- what a painful read.
I am so rubbed the wrong way by that picarto chat and those condescending remarks about your vocabulary- yikes! All I can say is kudos for remaining calm and reasonable, especially towards someone like this who clearly isn't taking this seriously at all.
aerospiritual
Sep. 24th, 2016 05:16 am (UTC)
Wow, I have no words for that hunk of dialogue. Sorry that you're been yanked around like this OP, you are more than entitled to not only receive art or a refund, but to be treated respectfully as well.
rai_say
Sep. 24th, 2016 06:21 am (UTC)
I was reading this and trying to remember where I recognized their username from and THEN I REMEMBERED.

They are (or used to?) be super buddy-buddy with Blood~/thelxlbloodlxlprince on FA, who also tends to converse in such an... interesting manner?

Not sure if drama there or not, but I've seen/experienced enough with them that I tend to stay away nowadays.
fastbreak333
Sep. 24th, 2016 10:53 am (UTC)
AHHH YES, I most certainly have!! I've been avoiding you too much!"

Well, at least we don't have to speculate whether this person is merely misguided or not. Beware very well warranted.
mortymaxwell
Sep. 24th, 2016 11:42 am (UTC)
The way this person treats their customers is very nasty. They come across as very inconsiderate. Beware well warranted.
alaitallon
Sep. 24th, 2016 12:52 pm (UTC)
I find it extra alarming that this is their most recent post on their Tumblr that you linked, as of September 21:
http://autopsy-juice.tumblr.com/post/150728168702/vlones-never-apologize-for-leaving-a-situation

I'm sorry, OP, but I think they've checked out. I really don't think you're getting anything from this commission. :\
Rhyn Ghye
Sep. 24th, 2016 02:31 pm (UTC)
WOW
If that is relating to this situation, then they've stepped from "my happiness" to "legal business". You can't just take someone's money and not complete it for your "happiness".
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