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Subject: Artist Beware: Commissioner fr0stbit3 also known as Wyldfire

WHO: fr0stbit3 or Wyldfire

WHERE: Commission was taken via twitter and google docs. Communication was done through email.

WHAT: Wing-it Chibi Commission

WHEN: Initial commission form was completed 3/21, commission was completed 5/18, final changes to the image were completed 5/19
(should be noted that these are generally completed faster but I was envoled in a car accident)

PROOF: All screenshots and art will be posted below

EXPLAIN:

On 3/21 I took my 4th batch of chibi commissions, this being one of them. Commissioner provided their details and paid promptly. Commission cost $50.



Here is the screenshot of the commission form splashpage.

http://imgur.com/E6Srw5s

Please note the guidelines and the examples.

On 5/18 I emailed the completed commission to Fr0stbit3. Here is the response.


http://imgur.com/ttFP2fe

At this point I figured the commissioner was not as happy as they could have been, but I did the work as described and figured the commission complete. The commissioner agreed that he would take the commission as is. He seemed fine with it and then asked about me making changes. I let him know the cost of re-sketching, re-inking and re-coloring those areas to his specifications.

http://imgur.com/cMJwXav

This is where communication went downhill. After I let him know the costs for changes he became frustrated with the cost and I explained that characters are simplified as part of the commission.

You can see in the screencaps that the commissioner continues to become more irate as time went on and I contiued to re-state my TOS. Finally, the emails came to a point where they were causing me stress and distracting me from work so rather than argue more, I went ahead and made the requested changes free of charge.

I enformed him of the TOS: http://imgur.com/IRswaqU
New email tread started: http://imgur.com/AL6UsjR
My email in return explaining my reasoning and letting him know to not commission me again: http://imgur.com/fXrHStv

The client then emailed me back with the image and circled all of the errors in the image.

Email about the errors: http://imgur.com/D1h7Jqo
Larger view of errors: http://imgur.com/gZDOSSn

The final commission I sent him with the requested changes: http://imgur.com/Vn6tQvZ

After this, there were a few more rude emails so I stopped responding.

Edited to fix a link
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celestinaketzia
May. 30th, 2016 10:04 pm (UTC)
Mod Comment
Hi Tojo!

There seems to be a broken link that leads to your imgur account instead of the cap in question.

Also there's an uncensored name through some of the emails, if you could please censor that.

Lastly, do you happen to have the rude emails he continued to send?
tojothethief
May. 31st, 2016 06:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Mod Comment
This should be fixed now. Thank you.
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kamilamutt
May. 30th, 2016 11:14 pm (UTC)
That nitpicking on the 'colouring errors' is ridiculous, even when the supposed mistakes circled, they do not even stand out at first (or second) glance. If he thought it was overpriced, he shouldn't have gotten it on the first place, what a rude thing to say.
Thanks for the beware, I don't think anybody would want a customer with that kind of attitude.
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2016 11:16 pm (UTC)
When we were reviewing this post and I opened that specific image, I think the first thing I asked the other mods is what the red circles were supposed to be indicating. I really couldn't tell and was confused.
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leahtaur
May. 30th, 2016 11:16 pm (UTC)
I would say the only thing I'd agree with is the number of toes issue. If features like that are routinely simplified from four to three in the finished product, it should probably be stated in the terms since I think most customers would not expect that kind of detail to be simplified - markings and overall level of detail, sure, but I know some customers consider a thing like number of toes to be a defining characteristic of their species.

The redlined image he sent back with the "errors" circled says it all though. Not to mention his comment that it seems to have only taken a few hours - how long does he expect someone to spend drawing a chibi with simple cel-shaded colouring, exactly? I don't think there's anything you could have done to make him happy. I'd be curious to see the rude emails sent after the image was fixed too, after you gave him exactly what he asked for.
fayv
May. 30th, 2016 11:49 pm (UTC)
I agree with this.

Number of toes and things can be an important aspect of a character to people and your warning that characters would be simplified doesn't really make me think of things like toes or fingers and I'd have been surprised to find that out.

That's a very easy fix though, just a line explaining that the style you use normally have 3 toes.

That being said his attitude is horrendous and the beware is warranted.
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leahtaur
May. 30th, 2016 11:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, just wanted to point out to the mods that the tag with his name appears to be misspelled. :)
celestinaketzia
May. 30th, 2016 11:19 pm (UTC)
huuhhh. I think LJ ate it. Let me tinker with tags.
wyla
May. 31st, 2016 12:25 am (UTC)
Ehhh, I'm going to be the unpopular opinion here and say that I do agree with them on (most) of the circled areas. For a $50 image that is a lot of missed pixels / sloppy colour filling. I understand that they are labelled at "quick cartoony commissions" but I would expect a little more attention to detail than what was shown.

That doesn't, however, excuse their attitude but I can understand their frustration.
DeadGalaxyX
May. 31st, 2016 12:30 am (UTC)
It doesn't matter what the pricetag is, his attitude is the same. I did a $15 shaded sketch for him a couple of years ago and he had the same attitude when I told him it would cost extra ($5-10) to add a cowl that he hadn't specified that he wanted in the picture. I also repeated my TOS to him multiple times and it's ended up with him trying to smear my name because I tell others about the issue I had with him.
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jebboy
May. 31st, 2016 03:59 am (UTC)
Considering his reaction to getting a beware because of how he treated a client and his habit of holding commissions hostage I'm not surprised he has a terrible attitude dealing with buying commissions ether. Beware well warranted specially since he already appeared on here before.

Edit: The beware for him as an artist is http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/864661.html


Edited at 2016-05-31 04:01 am (UTC)
likeshine
May. 31st, 2016 12:18 pm (UTC)

Guy is so angry at OP "removing limbs" from his character, but I see arms, legs, and a tail. I think he means "removing digits"
sapphistscot
May. 31st, 2016 02:09 pm (UTC)
Didn't this guy (Fr0stbit3) deny being Wyldfire in the last AB post?
dragontripmon
May. 31st, 2016 03:13 pm (UTC)
Yes and from that beware he did'nt handle it well at all.
poizenkat
May. 31st, 2016 02:37 pm (UTC)
I agree with the number of toes issue. Especially considering two of your examples show characters with four fingers. To some people (like myself for some characters) the number of digits is important.
Everything else was overly nitpicky and they were pretty rude.
dragontripmon
May. 31st, 2016 03:28 pm (UTC)
Is it me.....
Also i'm not sure if anyone here saw these journals here. Considering there's seems to be way more than this which is not helping at all.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7583392/

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7586387/

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7607636/

Though it's really concerning how he's reacting to all this as well as his prior history here. He just really can't handle being courteous and respectful.

darkunisha
May. 31st, 2016 03:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Is it me.....
His twitter is about the same too, you'll have to scroll down a bit but needless to say, there's a lot of aggression and such there. :/

https://twitter.com/Fr0stbit3works/with_replies
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bearprince
May. 31st, 2016 05:51 pm (UTC)
As someone who also automatically draws... almost all characters with cartoonish digits, I think maybe I can clarify for some people who seem confused by the artist seeming to add four digits to some of the examples?

What the artist and myself as well seem to do is draw three fingers plus a thumb on hands, which equals four digits, and then three toes on the feet, which do not include thumbs. It looks to me in the finished commission that perhaps the thumbs on the critter's hands are hidden (being obscured by the rest of the hand for the left hand, and behind the tail for the right hand. you can see where the thumb begins on the palm), which would make this commission have the same number of digits as shown in the artist's examples.

I've also had to add digits to commissioners who realized they wanted a more realistic amount, but they were always very understanding about it and the way this commissioner reacted was incredibly out of line.
aerospiritual
May. 31st, 2016 07:10 pm (UTC)
tbh, I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with this guy on either side of the coin since it's pretty obvious that he can't behave in a respectful manner.
fr0stbit3works
Jun. 1st, 2016 07:27 am (UTC)
I like how my beware post against her was denied but hers was approved. I guess it's true that people always support the popular one. Thank you very much for this.
jebboy
Jun. 1st, 2016 02:33 pm (UTC)
Or maybe it isn't
This group is not a popularity group. If your beware didn't go through then ether;
A) The mods haven't actually seen it yet
B) You didn't have enough evidence
C) The beware didn't follow the guidelines.
Don't claim the group is seedy because one thing didn't seem to go your way.
Edit: forgot to finish the title

Edited at 2016-06-01 02:35 pm (UTC)
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tyrano_tiggs
Jun. 1st, 2016 08:15 am (UTC)
The digits is a minor issue but it's very unsurprising to see them continue to act this way.
Between twitter and FA journals, definitely glad I blacklisted this person as soon as I saw their first beware
mortymaxwell
Jun. 1st, 2016 11:27 am (UTC)
The tone in his new call out journal really rubs me the wrong way and the bewares on him that have been posted here really make me uncomfortable.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7611761/

This doesn't look like a good effort to correct and change his past mistakes to me. =/

Edited at 2016-06-01 11:30 am (UTC)
fr0stbit3works
Jun. 1st, 2016 02:11 pm (UTC)
No one gives me a chance to fix anything! Everyone always jumps to the past for every little thing! Even tojo did! She used stuff from years ago to justify herself for now. Even though it has no correlation
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