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Advice on Releasing Details?

As many artists are dealing with issues of people releasing their "pay only" content, I wanted to know what we could do about it to protect ourselves, as well as other artists from having the same issues.

Bascily what I want to know, is if its okay to release the paypal information of those who release "pay only" content for free on other sites? Just a name and their emails, not anything like their home address if one is listed.. I am not sure what skirts the line of doxing, or simply making other artists aware of problem customers.

Honestly I feel really bad just asking, but I think this is becoming a growing problem with Patreon and other such venues where artists are having their stuff released, and therefore harming their overall incomes.

Also, would it be better to let them know ahead of time, if they release the content, they forfit their details (again name and email only), to the net? Or is there a better resolution that I am not seeing.. Currently, Im just banning them.

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celestinaketzia
Jun. 16th, 2015 01:45 am (UTC)
I think your best bet would be just to continue as you're doing and to file DMCAs against the sites hosting your paid content.

I'm not sure of the legalities of what you want to do, but to me it doesn't sound like a good idea.
amocin
Jun. 16th, 2015 02:05 am (UTC)
This is why I asked, others had suggested it to me but it's something I felt iffy about. I just dont know where the line is, because here, the person's email is sometimes released.
celestinaketzia
Jun. 16th, 2015 02:10 am (UTC)
We don't allow for emails to be released. If they are, then it's prior to us asking for them to be censored.

Before we did if it was "publicly available", but we removed that because "publicly available" can be revoked at any time. :)
eveshka
Jun. 16th, 2015 01:46 am (UTC)
There are probably so many legal reasons to not release personal information that I can't track half of them. I mean heck, it's a rule here to not release personal names and PayPal information, with very few exceptions.

Remember, tit for tat, and even if they are in the wrong, they can counter release information, call you out, sue you for defamation... the list goes on.
amocin
Jun. 16th, 2015 02:08 am (UTC)
You can only sue for defamation if what is being said is false. Though I do see your point on the other aspects.
eveshka
Jun. 16th, 2015 02:21 am (UTC)
Valid point, but you have to convince a judge of that, not them. :(
tisiphone
Jun. 16th, 2015 07:59 am (UTC)
No, you can only win a defamation case if what's being said is false. That won't protect you from someone filing a case against you. I don't think that's likely in this case, but it's probably best to just avoid the whole problem.
martes
Jun. 16th, 2015 04:35 am (UTC)
How would you know who releases what? Usually people post on the pirate sites anonymously.
foxhack
Jun. 16th, 2015 05:46 am (UTC)
There's a few people that keep release stuff using their commonly known furry alias and brag about it.
wuvvumsoc
Jun. 16th, 2015 01:32 pm (UTC)
Might be better just to make a beware on the alias then.
foxhack
Jun. 16th, 2015 05:03 pm (UTC)
They don't usually sign up using their alias, they just release stuff using said alias.
sillygosling
Jun. 16th, 2015 07:13 pm (UTC)
Couldn't one just deduce who based off who they release from?
celestinaketzia
Jun. 16th, 2015 07:19 pm (UTC)
With Patreon's current system you can pledge, get the pay content, and then bail all within a few minutes. It'd be pretty difficult to keep track of folks, and Patreon hasn't made a ban feature as far as I know.
ljmydayaway
Jul. 4th, 2015 05:54 pm (UTC)
Well, there's lots of ways. You can do a nearly-invisible layer with the buyer's name on it or inject the data with their info. encrypted into the file. Then all you have to do is plop the file into Photoshop or run it through your encryption program to see who it originally belonged to.

Kind of a lot of work, but worth it if your stuff gets released a lot.
teekchan
Jun. 16th, 2015 05:12 am (UTC)
No. That is not okay. Just dmca, and blacklist none you catch doing it.
foxhack
Jun. 16th, 2015 05:45 am (UTC)
Bascily what I want to know, is if its okay to release the paypal information of those who release "pay only" content for free on other sites?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

This is essentially the same as giving up someone's credit card information. An email address is enough for someone who knows what they're doing to get into someone's personal finance information.

I mean, it's okay if you're giving your PP email to someone but once it gets into the hands of people who get into accounts for a living things can get ugly. Not to mention it could make the person that posted the email liable for damages.
amocin
Jun. 16th, 2015 06:19 am (UTC)
I dont know if somebody should mark this as resolved, or if I can, but I think I got the general idea that its not a good idea. I will just continue doing what I have been.

Thank you guys for helping me clear this up. ^.^
celestinaketzia
Jun. 16th, 2015 10:26 am (UTC)
mod comment
Howdy, we don't put resolved tags on advice posts. Those are reserved for bewares.
ashleyvsdestiny
Jun. 16th, 2015 02:40 pm (UTC)
You want to publicly release customer information.

THINK about that for a moment.

Edited at 2015-06-16 02:48 pm (UTC)
mortymaxwell
Jun. 16th, 2015 03:43 pm (UTC)
Releasing someone else's personal information is very inappropriate and it's disappointing to read that other people are suggesting you do this.
corghi
Jun. 17th, 2015 03:49 am (UTC)
I didn't see anyone agree that this was a good idea... heh
amocin
Jun. 17th, 2015 05:35 am (UTC)
I think you might be confused, nobody here on A_B is suggesting that. I have had others, both friends and fans suggest it over the coarse of time. However friends and fans are the most likely to get the pitchforks ready without thinking, which is why I came here for an unbiased opinion.
mortymaxwell
Jun. 17th, 2015 09:05 am (UTC)
I suppose I should have been clearer.

I was referring to what you had said earlier, not to anyone in this thread. I don't see anyone on AB advocating releasing peoples' info.

http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/852608.html?thread=31084928#t31084928

"This is why I asked, others had suggested it to me but it's something I felt iffy about. I just dont know where the line is, because here, the person's email is sometimes released."
mortymaxwell
Jun. 17th, 2015 08:58 am (UTC)
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/852608.html?thread=31084928#t31084928

"This is why I asked, others had suggested it to me but it's something I felt iffy about. I just dont know where the line is, because here, the person's email is sometimes released."

This was where I got the impression that others were suggesting it was okay.
lavenderpandy
Jun. 17th, 2015 04:32 am (UTC)
No one has said that the OP should do this...Quite the opposite really.
lavenderpandy
Jun. 17th, 2015 04:34 am (UTC)
The temptation may be there but it's best not to it like others have suggested. Legal reasons and possible retaliation from the customer.
spartanwerewolf
Jun. 17th, 2015 04:52 am (UTC)
Absolutely not. Everything else aside, paypal is really shitty about deadnaming trans people/not letting us change our names*, and I would lose my shit if my deadname was floating around online, regardless of why.

*FTR, you can upgrade to a business account for free, and whatever you put as your business name comes up on your transactions, although your deadname is still on your account.
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