This evening I joined a stream that I was eagerly and awaiting for since the last one and that the artist wasn't taking commissions at that time; and were this time. I was really excited and happy! She stated on her journal/submission "Taking a few small commissions u vu"" Nothing else. So I was on her stream as well as a very popular artist waiting for chibis. Only one chibi was done in-stream and she had a small handful list. Mine was already being sketched and lineart was begun. NOTE: I KNEW she took payment After the work was done since I had bought a icon from her months before. However today was displeasing.
7 hours of her stream, and she during that time was playing a videogame stopping with working on the stream commissions or even to finish my commission (I mean why else would you stream and say your taking commissions, right?) I'm an artist and I don't stream unless I am working.
I had been kind and patient to the artist but what they said to one person who left when she finally, yes finally began to draw again (livestream was still on for 7hours now) one of her customers said "I've been here seven hours, so go ahead and take my name of the list"
The artist responded with a rude remark of "uhm okay lmao". Which I thought was very rude as the customer and even I had been waiting and watching for 7hours. No information was given that the artist Claims we should already know.
Since I've started commissioning since I'm fairly new I'm very lenient and patient but this wasn't the first time I've worked with this artist; or seen this as the first time the user had been rude to people in her stream. It's mildly disturbing on the behavior. Stating my opinion that it was frustrating that she gave NO information whatsoever about the commissions besides pay when finished and ask to get on a list, stating what was wrong with her comment towards the customer who left she argued and was extremely rude THEN saying rules and information about the commissions she was taking in-stream. Shortly I was banned from the stream chat and she made the remark of
"I smell drama and an AB from this.- WE WAITED 7 HOURS FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T PAY FOR"
When she states she takes payment AFTER the works is finshed. I blocked/blacklisted the artist on Furaffinity and without changing the sketch takes the sketched/linearted commission with my character's traits still there and posts it as a YCH. Also notice this was a specific pose and idea I wanted my character in as well. I have all the chatlogs from the stream saved on my computer; Sadly since it's Picarto there were no time-stamps.
I don't know what to do or even if I should just post this. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Maybe I'm in the wrong but this is the reason I am asking this. This artist has been rude to me and other commissioners/customers before. Help?
7 hours of her stream, and she during that time was playing a videogame stopping with working on the stream commissions or even to finish my commission (I mean why else would you stream and say your taking commissions, right?) I'm an artist and I don't stream unless I am working.
I had been kind and patient to the artist but what they said to one person who left when she finally, yes finally began to draw again (livestream was still on for 7hours now) one of her customers said "I've been here seven hours, so go ahead and take my name of the list"
The artist responded with a rude remark of "uhm okay lmao". Which I thought was very rude as the customer and even I had been waiting and watching for 7hours. No information was given that the artist Claims we should already know.
Since I've started commissioning since I'm fairly new I'm very lenient and patient but this wasn't the first time I've worked with this artist; or seen this as the first time the user had been rude to people in her stream. It's mildly disturbing on the behavior. Stating my opinion that it was frustrating that she gave NO information whatsoever about the commissions besides pay when finished and ask to get on a list, stating what was wrong with her comment towards the customer who left she argued and was extremely rude THEN saying rules and information about the commissions she was taking in-stream. Shortly I was banned from the stream chat and she made the remark of
"I smell drama and an AB from this.- WE WAITED 7 HOURS FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T PAY FOR"
When she states she takes payment AFTER the works is finshed. I blocked/blacklisted the artist on Furaffinity and without changing the sketch takes the sketched/linearted commission with my character's traits still there and posts it as a YCH. Also notice this was a specific pose and idea I wanted my character in as well. I have all the chatlogs from the stream saved on my computer; Sadly since it's Picarto there were no time-stamps.
I don't know what to do or even if I should just post this. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Maybe I'm in the wrong but this is the reason I am asking this. This artist has been rude to me and other commissioners/customers before. Help?
- Current Mood:Extremely Displeased
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As for if their behavior is bewareable, it'd probably be something the moderation team would have to discuss. Personally speaking, it's rude to have your clients waiting around for hours on end and essentially wasting their time. If one is going to do that, then they need to be explicitly clear that this is what's going to happen. "LOl you're going to pay after" doesn't get you off the hook for poor behavior. There was still a promise of a service.
The long commission stream without doing much commissions seems a bit unprofessional, as well as openly mocking and being rude to customers whether they paid or not.
7 hours is an extremely long time to sit around and wait for something to not happen.
As has been covered, even with discussing the specific pose beforehand there's no ownership of that 'idea' and the artist can do what they wish with that base art (and I wouldn't even think of it as particularly shady or weird, even).
Then they used the drawing in progress for YCH, since they did not take payment from you.
Id agree with others - if its just a pose they can do with it what they please if no payment was accepted for it. :|
I seen and heard of long streams, but that was when a major work was being done, not just fun? If I understood it the artist was not drawing all the time and other activities took the majority of the stream time?
Would it be more appropriate to make an advice post myself?
I think if it is just a fun wee stream and you announce like...time you are going to be doing art and time when you are going to be playing a game that would be cool. That way people who want to commission you or watch you draw can pop in during that time and if people want to watch you play a game they can pop in during the 'game time'.
I dunno tho. Far be it from me to say how people should run their streams. I like to be more schedule / structure based.
edit: sorry for all the edits i swear i'm done now /m\
Edited at 2015-03-02 09:56 pm (UTC)
I personally think having people wait in a stream 7 hours for their commision only to not do it and then ban you and use your idea as a ych is bewareable, especially since you have said they have been rude to you and others before. But that is not up to me so I would just make sure to screen shot everything and post a beware on your personal experience with this artist and see if it gets accepted.
I think I need more information.
Was she expected to finish them in stream?
Sometimes I'll take commissions in stream start them then finish them later out of stream, have never had a problem that way.
The pose she can use. I wouldnt find it shady either. The work wasn't paid for, she is within her rights to re use that to gain back losses. ( I think many artists have a clause in their TOS about unused sketches )
I wouldn't bother with this artist anymore, but as for whether the behavior here is "beware able"...na, I don't really think so. You didn't pay for the sketch, and you're certainly free to get your idea drawn by a different artist.
As I said above, kind of sounds like they were using the promise of art to keep a captive audience. Which also would have been fine, if they had just said that ahead of time "Gonna game and raffle off a sketch among watchers sometime during the stream!"
I guess the TL;DR here is "do what you say you're going to do".
It's pretty gross of them to just put the sketch up as a YCH without even changing some character characteristics around. I would not blame you if you used the sketch to show another artist you want to commission and explain the situation to them "This artist flaked on my commission and are selling the pose I wanted as a YCH, but this is the pose I wanted, could you redraw the pose in your own style?"
I'd probably be disinterested in doing business with them, regardless of how amazing their art is.
HOWEVER--Adjusting to your client's tone is the best way. If your client writes in a polite manner, it's best to keep business on the same level so they don't get a bad impression of you!
As an artist, I think it would be fun to stream... but I am all over the place when I am drawing. I stop to read fanfics, play FB games, check my email, etc... I need to do these things 'cause I can't work on a pic from start to finish all in one go, and I don't want any stream watchers to get annoyed with me... so I don't stream.