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Beware: sirafurball

WHO: sirafurball

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sirafurball/

WHAT: Digital YCH commission http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15152133/ [the YCH] (NSFW nudity)
The finished product: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15207864/ (NSFW nudity)

WHEN: Sirafurball bid on my YCH and won: http://i.imgur.com/G1QUpPI.png (December 5th 2014)
Sirafurball giving me information for the commission and asking me to invoice them: http://i.imgur.com/OXA8R8p.png
Their recognition of paying the invoice: http://i.imgur.com/WYPmrzZ.png
Paypal showing the two reversals placed upon the original $75 payment for the commission: http://i.imgur.com/7oNZMCQ.png

PROOF:
Paypal showing the original payment and the two reversals put onto the payment: http://i.imgur.com/7oNZMCQ.png
The payment is currently held away from my account.
Our conversation, starting when I had first seen the reversals in my Paypal account. (*Note: I have omitted some portions of the conversations for sake of clarity, and can have them available if they are needed): http://i.imgur.com/Vx77MT5.png

EXPLAIN: Created a YCH

Sirafurball won the YCH. Paid on December 5th 2014.

Completed the YCH and gave files to Sirafurball December 11th 2014.

Reversal on the payment was put on January 9th 2015.

Upon receiving the message of the reversal, I contacted Sirafurball via notes on FA.

Funds were back into my account on January 10th 2015.

Received another reversal on the payment on January 13th 2015.

Contacted Sirafurball again, they reply with "I know, another artist tell me the same. I'm creating another paypal account for fixed all (to see if it finally works..)” http://i.imgur.com/Vx77MT5.png

Currently waiting, with the funds held out of my account.

There are other artists in this situation, who have been commissioned by Sirafurball. One has contacted me and Sirafurball has acknowledged the others in their responses to me in the conversations listed above.

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adzuki
Jan. 14th, 2015 08:10 pm (UTC)
I am one of the other artists effected by this user and have a beware on the way.


I don't like the idea of her making a new PayPal account to pay those she has effected especially if her parents really were the ones to intervene the first time. It is super shady to me.

Crossing my fingers all artists involved get their money and no more chargebacks from this user.
latiro
Jan. 14th, 2015 09:49 pm (UTC)
I don't like the idea of her making a new PayPal account to pay those she has effected especially if her parents really were the ones to intervene the first time.

I'm assuming that Sira is a minor, because if so, I wouldn't want to work with her, especially if there's a chance of PayPal chargebacks.
kolae
Jan. 14th, 2015 11:30 pm (UTC)
If we knew she were a minor, I know I would not have accepted her commission. Her age is not listed on her page, and she had nsfw work favorited, so I made the assumption that she was of age. I know now I am going to be needing to make sure my clients are of legal age. But still, that does not forgive the actions made.
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 14th, 2015 11:26 pm (UTC)
If you need help translating the Spanish you can PM me with it, and I can take a crack at it. It's my second language.
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 14th, 2015 11:35 pm (UTC)
Oh gosh I missed the line where you ended up refunding her. Goodness, I'm so sorry.

I also sincerely doubt Paypal would ever tell them to delete the account.
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frisket17
Jan. 15th, 2015 12:06 am (UTC)
Side question:
Incidents involving paypal seem rampant. I've not heard of artists favorably dealing with paypal. What's the benefit in using it?
I never have used it myself. I require cash, check, or money order before I personally work on art for people -- Seems Paypal is just too risky for the artist - and the only benefit is to the buyer.

Am I missing something that makes paypal -good-?
kayla_la
Jan. 15th, 2015 12:12 am (UTC)
Part of the problem for a lot of people in these circumstances is that they can't (or feel like they can't) do anything that would potentially turn away customers, and unless you're a particularly popular artist, this is going to happen if you refuse to take paypal. Paypal is what most people have, and it's convenient, so it has momentum that alternatives don't.

So basically, it's not really special, and you're right that it's artist-unfriendly due to outdated digital art rules, but it's also what most people use, so everyone feels they have to have it. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I keep hoping they'll update their rules to keep up with the times.
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mistresswolf
Jan. 15th, 2015 08:12 pm (UTC)
*nods* Those of us that are "international" (I am in Canada) find it more convenient to use Paypal I think when the majority of our customers are in the USA. Personally, I would prefer to do Interac transfers, but as far as I know, it is only something I can do with others that have a Canadian bank account.

Also, I like to do my commissions fast, and I find that waiting on snail mail to arrive with cash/cheque/moneyorder before I can start a commission just makes me anxious.

Edited at 2015-01-15 08:13 pm (UTC)
kolae
Jan. 14th, 2015 11:27 pm (UTC)
Wow.. "PayPal told them to delete the account"...

Trying to not be cynical, but I am fairly certain that would never happen.
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kamilamutt
Jan. 14th, 2015 11:34 pm (UTC)
Personally, I had some issues with Sirafurball as well, (she won a YCH & said that payment wouldn't send) but she sent some proof screenshots & I don't think my bad experience was 100% her fault, but her paypal's, instead.

But, I gotta say, I'd advice to be wary when dealing with this person, for large pieces, at least. I also think business with her is a bit shady; After she won my YCH, I waited for an entire week for her to note me with a reference, she only contacted me after I sent her a message asking if she was still interested. Then, that's when she told me the money wouldn't go through (I waited around another week, but nothing), she said that it could possibly be because she was low on funds, so she told me she decided to put her current "Donations are much appreciated! The money is for family problems" on her profile & asked me to post a journal to tell my followers to "help her out" (which was, of course, a lie, it was actually so she could pay for my $120 piece, not any family problems).

Although I realize it might not have been entirely her fault, I felt uncomfortable doing business with her because of that + the long wait time, so at the end I reauctioned my YCH sketch to another person.
Can provide screenshots if necessary.
zackfig
Jan. 15th, 2015 01:38 am (UTC)
Cracks me up that she has a "TrustedComissioner" logo on her page.
intj_reflection
Jan. 15th, 2015 02:27 am (UTC)
I was thinking this as well. That and realizing that the Trusted Commissioner page has been shut down.
ryunwoofie
Jan. 15th, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
I have a hard time believing anyone with that 'seal' be it commissioners or artists. I've seen a lot of horror stories lately. :U
doctater
Jan. 15th, 2015 01:53 am (UTC)
Another artist affected by the chargebacks here. I would just refund her but every time I try in the resolution center, I keep getting this error: http://puu.sh/ex1qT.png

I emailed PayPal about it but all I've gotten back is "We'll investigate the legitimacy of the funds". At this point I really don't care, I just want to be done with this mess and move on, regardless of whether I get my money or not.
ramthedragon
Jan. 15th, 2015 11:19 am (UTC)
Oh wow, I have been contacted by this person before but thankfully for me I had commissions closed at the time and as so didn't have to deal with any of this.
She is in fact a minor, so it is possible it's her parents, since as far as I know she doesn't do commission work and is still in school?

If anyone has problems talking to them I could contact them on skype and I speak spanish. But wow, I will definitely be on my toes with her.
ravensmoon666
Feb. 6th, 2015 03:39 am (UTC)
Oh gosh, it's a good thing I saw your shout on her page and I recognized your fursona from the icon. She had noted my art account two weeks ago for an icon and thank goodness I didn't have acess to my pc or I probably would have accepted it.
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