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Commissioner Beware: VeilShadepaw

WHO: VeilShadepaw

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/veilshadepaw/

WHAT: Fursuit commission payment.

WHEN: "June 2014" to now (December 2014)

PROOF:
Oldest conversation I can find of the suit being discussed, final price is decided: http://www.ezimba.com/work/141212C/ezimba16923696789300.png
Cut out message: http://www.ezimba.com/work/141212C/ezimba16923657614100.png
One payment to me. He also paid $50 but I can't seem to find it: http://www.ezimba.com/work/141212C/ezimba16923692605000.png
Asking in September: http://www.ezimba.com/work/141212C/ezimba16923698707400.png
Asking this week, reinforcing how serious I am now: http://www.ezimba.com/work/141212C/ezimba16923633740500.png


EXPLAIN:
I had made him a fursuit finished in October 2013 and he wanted a new one. We discussed this new one at a few furmeets and on my other Facebook account (can no longer access so no proof) before the screen shots in June.

At the time he sent me $100, I was halfway done with his head.

Suddenly, he lost his job, but still wanted the suit. I was dumb enough to send it to him regardless because he wanted it in time for AnthroCon, as he had emphasized, and thought it would potentially put me at risk for a bad review.
I was dead wrong.

So he went to the convention anyways, another one (or two?) in the following months, not to mention trips out-of-state...

He got a job at the beginning of this month (December) and had been talking about paying for stuff back in September, where my other screenshot is.

I finally had enough and PMed him about it only to find out that he needs to pay off "outstanding bills", which apparently doesn't include this fursuit.
--

Now, I know VERY well that I should not have given him this suit. It's now a bold statement in my TOS. But now he owes me money and I don't know if I'm going to be receiving payment for this or not because he's proven to not really care now that it's in his hands.

So, beware. As a seller or as a buyer (he does commissions).

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ariellynn
Dec. 12th, 2014 04:26 am (UTC)
UGH. It sucks that you trusted him, & it sucks that he doesn't see this as an important outstanding debt. I really hope you get your money by the end/beginning of the year as he promised. :(
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jessibean
Dec. 12th, 2014 05:56 am (UTC)
I hate to be "that person", but how on earth does someone without a job afford to go to all of these cons in the first place? Maybe I'm doing it wrong, I don't know, but in my experience, cons are NEVER cheap. Not even if you buy your pass months in advance/stay at home/share a hotel room with five hundred strangers/only eat out of vending machines.

It bugs me that he's now pulling the "I haven't had a job and I have a backlog of bills" pity party card but he somehow had the money for all of those cons...
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koulagirl666
Dec. 12th, 2014 08:13 am (UTC)
Please stop saying you are dumb, it's not true.

If he agreed to pay you back when he got a job and now he has a job you are entitled to expect that you get paid now, not later. At the very least, he should be giving you a clear payment plan to consider rather than a vague timeline. (e.g. "Look, I can't pay it all now, I can pay $50 a week until it's paid off.")

Since your mother helps out with commissions it could be considered a family business and there are exceptions to labour laws which allow minors to work in a family business, so all the barriers regarding contracting with a minor might go poof if you argued that in small claims. I'm not clear on where you are, but in many places business with turnovers under a certain amount aren't required to register for tax etc., so that might be a possibility if you were considering small claims.
laughsatthunder
Dec. 12th, 2014 12:47 pm (UTC)
N'aw, thanks. <3

I wish he took it seriously, because it's actually a serious matter and a bill that was due LONG ago. Him not seeing it as an outstanding bill is just one fat red field of flags.

My mother doesn't actually do any of the work, she just monitors how money is controlled, what I'm commissioned for, how often I work during a week and so forth. It's to make sure I don't burn out but don't keep the product for 2 weeks or 2 years.

I live in Connecticut, I'm not entirely positive what the legal contract age is (they let me sign a paper for a retainer on Monday?) but the age of consent and such, the "adult" age, is 16.
meeka_meerkat
Dec. 12th, 2014 10:51 pm (UTC)
Yes, I don't like his attitude about this. He is being civil and polite, but there's an underlying tone here. He keeps telling you about his job as if it's your problem.

Hopefully you can do some kind of smaller payment plan. it seems like he's going to keep giving you the excuse of paying other bills first. I'm sorry, but he put your bill on hold long enough!
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 3rd, 2015 09:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Clearing thins up.
"If she would like the final $150"
It isn't a matter of "if", as it's pretty clear that she wants the final payment otherwise she would have never posted to this community.

"I think she need to come to me and actually set up a payment plan"
On the flip side, seeing as you owe her money and are currently using her work you could have taken up the initiative to set up a payment plan with her rather than dumping her on the back burner.

" than blacklisting me for selling or buying commissions."
A person is free to blacklist any client for any reason. Considering what's transpired, I wouldn't blame her.
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laughsatthunder
Jan. 3rd, 2015 10:15 pm (UTC)
I didn't realize there was a comment left on here by him and now I don't know if I feel comfortable replying after being tagged in this (which I also refuse to comment on).

http://www.ezimba.com/work/150104C/ezimba16923640541300.png
kayla_la
Jan. 3rd, 2015 10:20 pm (UTC)
"You can do what you see fit with them short of selling them"

? I don't understand why he wouldn't want you to sell it if it hasn't been paid for? Or did I misunderstand? I'm just not sure why he seems to think he can tell you what to do with something he hasn't paid for.
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 4th, 2015 01:01 am (UTC)
mod comment
If you want to comment here you will have to review our rules. Not only does this post name call, but it includes items that have absolutely nothing to do with this beware. Thus, it is being screened and this is your warning to tone it down about ten levels.
Crash Rainbowtron
Jan. 4th, 2015 07:10 am (UTC)
In your screenshots, he clearly tells you he's fine with not getting the rest of the suit until its paid for and you're the one who insisted on giving it to him anyway because he's "special," so why are you trying to convince everyone that he pressured you into giving it to him? This discrepency doesn't make you look good.
laughsatthunder
Jan. 4th, 2015 01:31 pm (UTC)
I'm not replying to this comment, I'm replying to your one that got frozen.

I never posted anything "publicly" except this and didn't flaunt it around. Him tagging me in a post telling me to go fuck myself, then having a bunch of people who didn't read this agreeing with him was the next step.

I've blocked and moved on. You don't need to keep commenting on here or else the mod's going to have to ban you, too. The drama is not needed if you were not involved.
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 4th, 2015 02:49 pm (UTC)
mod comment
Alright, we've told you to stop. If you're unable to converse productively in this community, then we will remove your ability to do so. This is not a drama community, and this will not be tolerated.
laughsatthunder
Jan. 4th, 2015 05:05 pm (UTC)
Yikes. So, it's spread over to Tumblr where there's threats and the liking. Deleted my account on there for safety.

At this point I've decided I will get into contact with the police if online threats keep up or if I get reminded at a furmeet. It's getting out of hand with new people getting involved when I refuse to let my friends butt in.

Is there anything else I can really do?
oceandezignz
Jan. 4th, 2015 05:12 pm (UTC)
If he is actively threatening you and your safety and actively encouraging such actions as well; make sure you have everything he says or approves of being said about you.

I know you probably don't want to see any of those things anymore; as its more than a bit distressing; but if he's going to go after your safety you need it.
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bunraygma
Jan. 5th, 2015 12:18 am (UTC)
I'd like to take a moment to thank VeilShadepaw (who seems to have deleted his inflammatory comment here after it got screened!) and his friends for coming into this post and showing their true colours. I read the beware and thought, "Well, this sucks, but maybe VeilShadepaw is a confused good person who will see the error of his ways and pull through with the money owed."

NOPE. Veil, you and your friends' behaviour has been so awful that I appreciate you all letting me know I should probably make with the block buttons and blacklists and warn others about you all. You really need to take a step back and look at how you've blown this whole thing way out of proportion and WHY people are calling you out for being at fault.

You were wrong to not pay up on a debt owed, You were wrong to lash out at the person who posted this beware. And if you're not telling your followers to stop harassing the person who posted this beware (something you should have said in your original vent post you seem to feel you HAD to make), then you're wrong there too.

But. But! BUT! It's NOT the end of the world if you made a mistake. What matters is that you FIX those mistakes, and then you won't have people pointing them out on the Internet and blacklisting you. This is meant as constructive criticism, not as snark or "being mean" or whatever else knee-jerk reactions might tempt you to treat it as.

To LaughsAtThunder, you've been given very good advice concerning the harassing behaviour you've been receiving. My advice is, DON'T let anyone bully and cow you into NOT contacting the authorities if you feel threatened. Don't let anyone tell you the situation isn't serious enough, because harassment is ALWAYS serious and tends to escalate if left unchecked. That's how I ended up having to take out restraining orders against two people. Be proactive from the start and don't let yourself be swayed. The sad truth is, as long as you do business, you HAVE to be prepared for these situations, and to be strong enough to handle them when--not if--they crop up.
laughsatthunder
Jan. 5th, 2015 12:33 am (UTC)
I hope this doesn't get screened, you made an awful lot of good points.

Thank you for this lengthy comment, as I've said above (I think) I will not hesitate to contact the police or the state if this escalates further. My parents are fully aware and I have the same screenshots from above, as well as screenshots of the screened comments.
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laughsatthunder
Jan. 10th, 2015 08:16 pm (UTC)
Commission has been paid in full, however I will not be taking this down.
celestinaketzia
Jan. 10th, 2015 09:45 pm (UTC)
mod comment
Of course not. Removal is against our rules, however we will be marking this as resolved if you feel it is.
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