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Traced YCBH

WHO: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/clarityangeldragon/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/eraviadragonfly/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/Roxanna/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/pixenvixen/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/skypropony

WHERE: FurAffinity.net

WHAT: Digital YCH auction that was traced

WHEN: 6/20/2014

PROOF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0q78lkqvvmnw9v6/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23040%20-%20%27TCBY%20by%20ClarityAngelDragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_view_13769477_%23cid_84313695.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l1c8uhphnorw4b/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23041%20-%20%27Userpage%20of%20clarityangeldragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_user_clarityangeldragon.png

Original image; http://puu.sh/9EyrP/2ecf3723c9.jpg
http://puu.sh/9Eyu1/c0f812b70b.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1z1a5vd.jpg - This was a layover she posted on her own to prove she didn't trace, it's since been removed.

Image provided by the tracer as the original image she attempted to make money from; http://theperfectpose.com/HowToPose/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bride-alone-poses-1.jpg

New, closer overlay provided by a member of the community, showing the tracer's overlay was skewed and warped in her 'evidence', and the image is in fact, very traced, at minimum very heavily referenced without citing the source on the original auction to begin with; https://www.dropbox.com/s/gem52e82kbk0jil/trace.png

EXPLAIN: I happened across this image while browsing, looking through her gallery, and the image itself, it's clearly traced. I commented as you can see above asking the artist to cite her source, and the image was replaced with the above overlay as 'proof' she didn't trace. This artist attempted to trace a photograph for monetary gain, and should be avoided.

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Comments

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jakejynx
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:06 am (UTC)
So where is the actual proof that it's traced? It just looks referenced, to me.
snobahr
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:48 am (UTC)
The flow of the gown looks traced, to me.
viciousgoldmoon
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:03 am (UTC)
Does anyone else feel like she made the original picture a bit smaller so that when she placed her art on top of it, it wouldn't correlate as much? o__O; I feel like if the photograph was scaled up in a few places, it would match up a bit more.

IDK. This doesn't surprise me coming from her.
viciousgoldmoon
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:05 am (UTC)
Her additional FA account was Roxanna. It seems she's disabled it now.
ljmydayaway
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:23 am (UTC)
Do you have a link to the original photo?
turin_aramaia
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:57 am (UTC)
Photo source can be difficult
It looks like a photo from a bridal gown magazine. There's a lot of those out there.

It looks traced. The gown was done one size, then the body, a different size. The head looks very very funny when a trace is composed this way. This rough bit, the body proportions are off.

This CANNOT be the final product. This can be a rough trace sketch which the actual drawing is hand built from.
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orangemonsterco
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:49 am (UTC)
isn't this annalaigh?
edit: I had meant that this is dustythemare, doesn't she have a history of tracing?

Edited at 2014-06-21 08:50 am (UTC)
lunar_orchids
Jun. 21st, 2014 10:37 am (UTC)
Yes dusty has a huge history of tracing
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roxyfur
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:20 pm (UTC)
The image looks pretty clearly traced to me. Especially the gown. I bet if it was resized, it would be irrefutable.

Her attitudes in the most recent journal posted make this beware more appropriate than before.
Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:48 pm (UTC)
Well at the time I was upset :3 It is to be expected. We all get mad. Specially when one person after another is spamming you just to be a troll.
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Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:12 pm (UTC)
Um, excuse me, I deleted the original peice because seeing coments like that is bad for business, also why would I bag myself, I am the one who put up the tinypic image. :/ To proove i didnt trace. Thanks for doing this instead of speaking to me :/ I didn't trace, and I show a lot of live streams to proove so.
sacch
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:20 pm (UTC)
Would you mind linking your drawing and the picture that you referenced for further clarification? Burden of proof is on you if you claim you don't trace.
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kayla_la
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:55 pm (UTC)
To be honest, whether it was 'directly traced' or 'heavily referenced' doesn't matter to me personally. It's very, very close, and the intent was the same; to copy a photo and then make money off of it.

Doesn't FA have a rule where you're supposed to cite your sources in cases like these?
celestinaketzia
Jun. 21st, 2014 07:03 pm (UTC)
Yes, they do. It's a bannable offense if the artist fails to do so.
Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Live Stream
For some reason sia died at the end... But if you watch as i was trying to size the picture together they were starting to match up in most areas other than the arms, again. No one can draw something the same way twice, but this was my process half-assed and again most of it lined up again :3

http://tinypic.com/r/2ezpjdy/8
lackoflollies
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Live Stream
You can redraw it as many times as you like to 'prove' your process, however the fact remains you attempted to take a heavily referenced/traced image, make money off of it, and pass it off as original content versus admitting you referenced it and calling people who called you out 'cunts' and drama monglers, when in reality they weren't wanting someone to pay you for more or less tracing an image, that you still haven't admitted to, and I highly doubt you will any time soon.

P.s. What you're doing in that video, although not directly tracing, is still heavily referencing, and you should be citing your source regardless.
Re: Live Stream - celestinaketzia - Jun. 21st, 2014 08:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
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mazz
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
Obvious trace is obvious. Thank you for the warning.
dragontripmon
Jun. 21st, 2014 09:37 pm (UTC)
.......That was surprising.
Wow really surprised that the artist came here and damaged their reputation not just the tracing but the journals about AB as well.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5867399/ You may not realize how the behavior your showing could affect you in the future in your consider doing art as a career.
norsepaw
Jun. 21st, 2014 09:57 pm (UTC)
Re: .......That was surprising.
Yeah they dont really help themself... at all.
Re: .......That was surprising. - sacch - Jun. 21st, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
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sleetfury
Jun. 21st, 2014 11:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah if I didn't care enough at the beginning the artist's behaviour in here definitely solidified this for me.
clockmagic
Jun. 21st, 2014 11:54 pm (UTC)
I recall this person for different drama (fursuit related scamming, I think copying as well but can't say for sure). It's a shame to see they haven't changed, just took on under a different name and medium to scam with.
snowcrystal84
Jun. 22nd, 2014 03:04 am (UTC)
I am sorry but this beware is really unnecessary. Because it is clearly not a trace. It looks heavily referenced at best. And as far as I am aware there is nothing against referencing, not even in FA's TOS. The TOS only mentions traced art/plagiarism.

When referencing something for a pose, etc. there is nothing against that. And the lines do not match up at all. There is a huge difference between referencing and tracing. This piece looks referenced, not traced. While it is obviously heavily referenced, it isn't traced.

Edited at 2014-06-22 03:06 am (UTC)
lackoflollies
Jun. 22nd, 2014 03:26 am (UTC)
If the moderation team here did not think the beware was valid, it would not have been approved.
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spiritlobo
Jun. 22nd, 2014 07:11 am (UTC)
If I wasn't convinced on the tracing matter, I certainly am now at how the artist came on here and acted.

Just wow.
spiritlobo
Jun. 22nd, 2014 07:12 am (UTC)
Convinced in that they aren't someone to work with, sorry forgot to add that.
Jane Vakarian
Jun. 22nd, 2014 08:23 am (UTC)
The fact that there is people defending tracing/heavy referencing without credit on the shouts means I know who to stay away from too.
Unless they haven't seen the evidence.

Either way, pretty shocked at the behaviour of them, it'd look a lot better to own up to it rather then blatantly deny the whole thing over and over.

It's just WAY to close for a reference.
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