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WHO: Shon Howell a.k.a. Shaun Howell a.k.a. King-Cheetah a.k.a. Marmaladejane a.k.a. Jigsawman a.k.a. Salmon Dave.

WHAT: Refund for unfinished traditional art sketches.

WHEN: My dealings with Shon began in June 2010, when I commissioned him for 10 adult sketches. Over the next two years, I gave him a huge volume of work, but it never seemed to be a problem, as he always got the job done, often completing his work next-day. Even advance payments weren’t a problem, though it took him longer to complete work that was paid ahead of time. The trouble started on January 31st 2012. Shon asked for a $400 advance to get started on a few image sets, as well as an additional set of 12 pics for free (http://imageshack.com/a/img837/7815/pjrd.jpg). No big deal, he’d made that kind of offer before. Then, on April 24th 2012, he sent a request for an additional $400, citing rent problems. While he hadn’t yet completed any of the work from the initial $400, he was mostly caught up otherwise, so I decided to advance him the funds, though I let my hesitation be known (http://imageshack.com/a/img41/3731/v1xd.jpg).

PROOF: See below. Shon’s name is public, but mine is not, so that’s the one that has been censored. Also, the specific subject matter of the pictures, as well as some personal chatter and information which is entirely irrelevant has been redacted.

EXPLAIN: Since that point, I didn’t receive the vast majority of the work from Shon, though he frequently mentioned that he was working on it. I estimated that he had completed $100 worth of the original $800 advances. Four months passed. August 27, 2012, I lost my job and found myself strapped for cash, and having grown frustrated with Shon’s apparent lack of progress (the longest period to my memory that he had gone between him receiving payment and my receiving a finished product), I asked for a refund (http://imageshack.com/a/img41/5049/ic8q.jpg). Following this, conversations between Shon and myself were sporadic at first. I spoke to him twice since asking for the refund. Once on Monday, September 3rd (http://imageshack.com/a/img822/5186/0sme.jpg), and again on Wednesday, November 7th to explain my situation. Since August, I had gotten my job back, so the refund was not AS crucial a priority as it had been, but I obviously still expected to be refunded. (http://imageshack.com/a/img856/8628/7xgx.jpg).

As of May 7th, 2013, I had heard nothing from Shon, and, worrying that he may have taken “time isn’t a factor” to mean “I don’t want you to pay me back,” I sent him an email (http://imageshack.com/a/img89/5848/7df9.jpg), following up two months later on July 5th, 2013. Shon did not respond to either email.
On August 28th, 2013, a year and a day from the time I had asked for the refund, I emailed Shon again. This time, I received a response, stating his intention to discuss the matter via AIM. Shon never showed up, and offered no follow-up email or message. Two months later, I replied thusly (http://imageshack.com/a/img835/817/xb1k.jpg), to no response.

On December 17th, I noticed a post on Shon’s Tumblr page asking for all commissioners to get back to him regarding work owed. I emailed him back, and after receiving no response, emailed again, a little more harshly as I was getting fed up at this point (http://imageshack.com/a/img835/1248/9it8.jpg). Getting no response to this, I emailed him on January 13th, January 28th of 2014, receiving a PM via FA on February 3rd, 2014 (http://imageshack.com/a/img824/6902/7zh4.jpg). No response to my reply for three weeks, so on February 26th 2014 I sent him one final email, which was the last activity.

At this point I don’t have much hope that Shon will ever pay me back, but this is pretty much my only alternative to rolling over and allowing him to take my money with zero consequences.
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thaily
Mar. 21st, 2014 10:00 am (UTC)
I'm sorry that happened to you, $700 is a huge chunk of money :/

I wonder what happened that made Shon such a flake after doing good work for 2 years, and presumably before then as well? I wonder if anyone else is having issues with him.
alcyione
Mar. 21st, 2014 05:15 pm (UTC)
I don't know any of the details, but I do know that he has owed a good friend of mine some artwork for quite some time now. I'll see if I can get him to post here.
dustmeat
Mar. 21st, 2014 04:12 pm (UTC)
I used to live in the same town as Shon and my friends were his friends. So I can speak with some authority that his apartment is not expensive so I am not sure what rent problems he has. Pretty sure that he is the one who got my table and chair set when I left Texas.

Shon is a very productive artist, but if memory serves he is Bipolar and has huge mood swings- if that helps explain why he took so much money up front and then did not complete the work. Maybe he feels bad about taking such a large sum, and overwhelmed by the work load.
petercat
Mar. 21st, 2014 05:23 pm (UTC)
As one of my professors in college liked to say when students asked for extensions on due dates for papers for some reason, "That's an explanation, not an excuse." The way you eat an elephant is one bite at a time, not by letting it sit there getting rotten.
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zackfig
Mar. 24th, 2014 12:54 am (UTC)
He seems pretty active on tumblr, have you tried to reach him there?
spekkio2
Mar. 24th, 2014 01:48 am (UTC)
I don't have a Tumblr account, but the problem isn't getting in touch with him. He's clearly seeing that I'm trying to contact him, but ignoring it.

Case in point, about five days ago I left a series of shouts on his FA page, asking for contact again. The next day those shouts were deleted.
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metallik_hasse
Mar. 24th, 2014 01:51 am (UTC)
"At this point I don’t have much hope that Shon will ever pay me back, but this is pretty much my only alternative to rolling over and allowing him to take my money with zero consequences."

I commend you for this, so many people i know have let others do the same to them and won't speak up about it.
mdetector5
Mar. 26th, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
I commissioned the guy for a couple of drawings back in 2006, and I had sent in the money and everything. I knew he worked fast and did some pretty nice work, so why not?

I waited a few months, and he posted a lot more stuff in the meantime, so I figured he must've been busy with other stuff that came his way. I had to remind him about it a few times, and only after I went to a friend of his (who I also know) about it, did the work get done.

He's a decent and VERY prolific artist, and he seems like an alright guy, but I think his business practices need a little improvement.
ked62688
Mar. 31st, 2014 05:08 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I don't know how to feel about him. Right now he owes me nearly 200 dollars in work, mostly inked stuff. It's nothing to complex. The problem is, it's been nearly a year and 2 months since it started. As it stands, he sent me a handful of stuff, in particular he sent me a book and a couple comics. Stuff he didn't have to draw. He also sent me a handful of random sketches, but none of what I commissioned. Furthermore, I've seen a lot of what he claimed to be sending me up for sale or such. I'm exceedingly agitated by all this. The guy seemed reliable and now I'm left high and dry. He refuses to talk to me, and just give me any sort of information about anything I commissioned. It's nice he sent the bonus stuff, but most of it is poor sketches that are entirely random.
spekkio2
Mar. 31st, 2014 05:24 pm (UTC)
If he comes through on your work, my advice is to sever completely. It's not worth dealing with his head games.
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ked62688
Mar. 31st, 2014 06:45 pm (UTC)
By the by, does anyone seem to be able to get in touch. I've honestly tried through email, FA, and Tumblr.
spekkio2
Apr. 12th, 2014 12:16 pm (UTC)
Good luck reaching him through FA now. Yesterday he threw a tantrum over some artist getting a 30-day suspension and left, saying he was going to delete his gallery. He'll be back in a few months but he'll very likely delete his inbox and remove all of his shouts without reading them. For those keeping up with my case, I tried asking about my refund in his ultimatum thread announcing his "departure," but he deleted the thread a few hours later, before I could get a screenshot
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spekkio2
Apr. 18th, 2014 05:19 pm (UTC)
Anybody else get blocked from his FA account? Says he "voluntarily disabled access to his user page" but he may have just blocked me and that's a catch-all message.
ked62688
Apr. 29th, 2014 05:17 am (UTC)
No he's actually not doing any private messages through there. Not really using it that much from what I've seen. I've managed to keep in contact with him and I'm working on getting something from him.
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zackfig
May. 18th, 2014 11:16 pm (UTC)
Just pointing out that he's active again on FA.
ked62688
Jun. 3rd, 2014 11:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, he's been active on inkbunny the whole time to. Sent me some shitty copier pictures and shit. He's literally sent me plenty of old shit that wasn't mine. He takes an order, ask what you want, then ignores it and sends random crap instead. So yeah, I'm done dealing with him, he's not worth it.

But a warning, don't deal in anything more than one or two pictures, anything more and he loses it, and by lose I mean send all of it to other people and then try and give you half assed copies of your own work.
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Mathew Kilbourn
Oct. 8th, 2014 12:37 am (UTC)
Been owed 2 pieces of art from his massive adoptable sell off since June. He's not even bothering to read any of my notes on either FA or IB, just said screw it and filed a claim on Paypal.
miacorestal
Nov. 5th, 2014 10:47 pm (UTC)
Oh hey, I still have an account here.

I don't know how people have been so patient. I paid for one $25 picture on August 16th this year, after having been given the okay by king-cheetah on August 15th via FA note, and then checked back every other week or so with zero response. I had two shouts deleted during this time along with a lot of other messages asking about their commissions.

On October 5th I got a public message saying I would get a sketch "by Tuesday." No follow-up, and another shout deleted in the meantime.

He just cleared all the shouts again, so figured I'd post here for the good it does.
ked62688
Nov. 16th, 2014 05:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he's still quite popular. Cause he does get commissions and such out, if he does them right away. But don't do anything long term. Doesn't matter how much. It may never get done. Or may go to someone else, he's got some preferred clientele it seems. I dropped everything and just sat back and left. Like I've said, none of my commissions got done, just, sketches and random crap. If they did, he never got'em to me. There are better artists out there anyway (Or at least my opinion stands there), more reliable.
spekkio2
Mar. 29th, 2015 10:22 pm (UTC)
Update: As of a few minutes ago, the artist has repaid the last increment of the $700 owed.
celestinaketzia
Mar. 29th, 2015 10:27 pm (UTC)
mod comment
Is that all you are owed? May we mark this as resolved?
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ked62688
May. 7th, 2015 09:43 pm (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure how to get mine fixed. Because of the fact that he accepted alternate payments with me, and that he sent me something, just NONE of what I commissioned, I don't really know if anything can be done. Not to mention that we stopped conversing on less than ideal terms and I'm not really sure how to bring it up without him slipping into another breakdown.
spekkio2
May. 8th, 2015 12:19 am (UTC)
I couldn't give specific advice without knowing the specific situation, but I would try to keep a level head. Distance yourself from the situation so you won't get emotionally invested. Pretend you're a third party being contacted to mediate the situation.
atung59
Mar. 16th, 2016 07:29 pm (UTC)
I do have 8 pics owed to me by this artist, but I'd rather have him get my pics done over time than going on to other You Finish It (UFI) pics which he's had no problem finishing, none of them being mine.

I sent him email, FA notes and got nothing back from him concerning this matter.
spekkio2
Mar. 17th, 2016 03:08 am (UTC)
I know, it sucks, and I sometimes wished I had some kind of window into his thought process when it was me at the other end of the hook, but his actions are so bizarre from an outsider's perspective that they may as well be random. He may do your work, he may refund you, he may just continue to ignore you. There's really no way to know exactly what he'll do. My advice would be to request a refund if it's been a significant amount of time since he contacted you last.
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