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Artist-CelestialGoddess [Resolved]

WHO: CelestialGoddess, FurryRoseart, Daemon-Goddess

WHERE: Furaffinity

WHAT: Tracing and attempting to resell

WHEN: March 6th 2014, 8am

PROOF: http://imgur.com/a/fJ6gV#0

EXPLAIN:
I was linked to this image (http://i.imgur.com/otfK4kb.png <--NSFW) by another user at 8:55am. I opened it out of curiousity and it spoke for itself.
Barely less than ten hours ago i had uploaded this: http://i.imgur.com/3cbpQa3.jpg
An overlay of the image was done (http://i.imgur.com/IEfL9Ma.jpg)
I called her out about it. She takes the image down and writes this (http://i.imgur.com/xc7KPIu.jpg ) Claiming it was "Completely by myself" <---- yeah. no. She then deletes that journal and makes this one: (http://i.imgur.com/cx1Hyzs.jpg)

I then propose that if she supposedly drew it on her own, she should have no problem recreating it or at least getting pretty damn close. My direct words were "we can both redraw the image using the one I drew as a reference." She 'accepts' the challenge.

I went in her stream under the alias Vic Shaw. She apparently made it up in her mind that the challenge was to 'redraw it without any reference'. It wasn't. Her end result, none the less, was this: http://i.imgur.com/BTgRVJa.jpg <--NSFW

I responded with my own stream.
Doing one image with a ref and one without:
(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/Kl8RGTv.jpg & (NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/8K6eA1I.jpg

Point of it being if you did draw it 'yourself' or even had a decent grasp on anatomy...at...all...you could indeed at least get very close with a ref. And at LEAST get a somewhat similar structure without.
...i'll let her 'proof' speak on it's own here.

I'm also quite certain it's a trace because even if a decent artist did ref my pose (i'm FULLY aware you can't copy right a pose), they'd either A. realize the leg farthest from the viewer is bad. I just gave up on it because it was originally just a doodle for fun. or B. change it at least slightly because it helps maintain some bit of originality in the pose of the new work and C. Extremely heavy referencing...especially if it's being sold has been KNOWN to cause issues to arise (i can link an example of a situation if needed/wanted)

Here is also the recording of my drawing as proof of use of ref and use without:
http://youtu.be/to8UOiVkAyY

I also turned my cam on during it as proof that it was me and blah blah which i can also upload if that even comes into speculation.
I just cropped it out of the video to avoid looking like i was having an exorcism while that was playing at such a fast speed lolol.

This "artist" has had problems before as well. As seen on her old account in this journal here:
http://i.imgur.com/nBxoO9V.png?1 (the account is not deactivated)

I am unsure whether her 'past' issues were trace related or simply riding the coat tails of a style (which im aware isn't defended here) but I figured it was relevant. I also have screen shots of a note exchange between the previous artist she had issues with just confirming if she had with the same person i have.

EDIT [RESOLVED]:
As of July 29th 2014 a journal was posted by celestialgoddess/pagancraft apologizing for and admitting to tracing.
Found here http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5979386/ (or in case of deletion: http://imgur.com/H0aj5tY )
While I personally am irked she dragged the lie out and played victim for as long as she did.
This is technically resolved with her agreement to not make the same mistake yet another time around.
I will say that if at any point, any further nonsense occurs I won't hesitate to reopen this.
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Comments

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starngehouse
Mar. 21st, 2014 06:29 am (UTC)
I could be wrong, but i'm almost certain she was busted for doing the same exact thing not too long ago, but I can't remember if I saw it on here or on Tumblr.

Her icon and the association with pose tracing seems REALLY familiar to me..

(Edited for typos)

Edited at 2014-03-21 06:30 am (UTC)
starcharmer
Mar. 21st, 2014 12:56 pm (UTC)
Suicide...addict? I get what she was trying to say but...no...

IMO, the rants are beware enough. :P Hopefully she grows out of tracing peoples' art for money.
celestinaketzia
Mar. 21st, 2014 03:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this up! She just started watching me on FA, so I will have to keep a close eye on her.

Also her inconsistent style shows that she gets help.



Edited at 2014-03-21 03:44 pm (UTC)
TropicalShores
Mar. 21st, 2014 04:22 pm (UTC)
Inconsistent style AND anatomy vastly change through each image she has. fudge edited for spelling lol.

Edited at 2014-03-21 04:24 pm (UTC)
kyotosorae
Mar. 21st, 2014 04:37 pm (UTC)
I kinda find it amazing how she can keep on claiming to have made each and every image without tracing/referencing heavily seeing how every piece is vastly different in anatomy. Still I'm even more amazed about the amount of people ganging along side with her...
mistresswolf
Mar. 21st, 2014 05:36 pm (UTC)
"ey everyone, for those who tried to throw me around for the apparently tracing I SO CALLED DID which I did not by the way, and I'm sticking to it! you can throw hate mail at me all you want, but I will NOT back down, you are just jealous that I too can be just as a good! thats all there is to it :3 "

From a semi-recent journal. ... Yeah, everyone is just jealous.
exo_formicidae
Mar. 21st, 2014 05:48 pm (UTC)
I was in that stream as well, and from what I saw it would be very hard for her to get that first result with the technique she used.
That being a ball joint stick skeleton at the base and straight to lines, no sketch in between and no pen pressure. Also accepting the stream challenge, and then back out of it in the middle did not look good either. Just thinking if I was accused to tracing something I did not, then I would love to prove them wrong a 100%


Edit; I completely forgot, but "Everyone copys a style at one point in another! It isn't stealing merely a copy to help the person ACHEIEVE SOMETHING in their lives!" And then her friend claiming that every artist have stolen, heavily referenced or traced something in the journal comments just made me really annoyed. Way to go and try justifying art theft and something she appearntly doesn't do

~Terror-Run


Edited at 2014-03-21 05:54 pm (UTC)
jemindra
Mar. 21st, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
I was also in that stream and boy, was she off.

She nailed it whens he didn't claim for it to be 'traced' but when asked to draw it again, it was way off... Yeah, she's not fooling anyone.

She also had made another journal (before she deleted it), claiming that copying/tracing was okay. I just shook my head at that point.
_spookyfox
Mar. 22nd, 2014 12:59 am (UTC)
all of the art is her gallery is EXTREMELY inconsistent. i have no doubt she traces. :/
cathzcathz
Mar. 22nd, 2014 08:18 am (UTC)
Tracers usually leave a trail of what they use in their favorites on their profile page.

norsepaw
Mar. 22nd, 2014 11:51 am (UTC)
And the styles in her faves are very like her style so I wont be surprise if one was found.
She also got a Sofurry account under the same name, she could get it from there too if there is some artists there that dont use FA.
vexstacy
Mar. 22nd, 2014 09:03 pm (UTC)
She had listed me as her favorite artist for a while. and a lot of my art was in her favorites. I'm pretty certain the only reason there aren't favorite tracks for this incident is because i had, had previous issues with her before and blocked her about 2-3 months prior to this more serious incident.
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