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Beware on Flarveon

Posting a beware on Flarveon/Poppy Pandacoon/Ash Akita regarding a fursuit trade that we agreed on on Facebook.

Around a year ago, he posted an ad for his Akemi shadowsani partial, at the time I had an ill fitting fullsuit that needed a little work. It didn't fit me anyways so I offered the suit + $200 to match what he wanted to sell the partial, which he was selling for around $700. The fullsuit was only worth $500 because it would need repairs, like the zipper and ears were falling apart slightly and the spots were glued on. He accepted my offer.

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That week or so, I sent off my fullsuit. He received it. However, to this day I've gotten nothing back, the partial or my full suit. Which I can't get back anyways because from what people told me he sold it. I tried posting to his wall and messaging him privately but that has gone ignored. I haven't sent the $200, but with having my fullsuit sold without the trade being completed I'm hesitant to do so.

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He also claims that he doesn't have money to send my suit, however looking back I am having a hard time believing this as he recently bought a new fursuit head. When I asked when my partial was to be sent, he would tell me "the next paycheck" time and time again, until suddenly each message and wall post mentioning the suit would be ignored.

Because of he used to be one of my closest friends I am deeply hurt and feel betrayed by this. Especially with selling the suit I gave him without the trade being completed. The fact that there is nothing I can do about it but post here upsets me greatly, but there's nothing I can do but post here as a beware to others who decide to do business with him. After having to go through this, I know I won't be doing it again.

EDIT: a friend of mine linked me to the furbuy page http://www.furbuy.com/auctions/1043132.html?
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_gilligan_
Feb. 21st, 2014 06:09 am (UTC)
I'm glad this made it hear so it can warn others, but I'm still annoyed that he keeps ripping off people and getting away with it.
norsepaw
Feb. 21st, 2014 08:07 am (UTC)
Have your case been resolved yet?
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fayecover
Feb. 21st, 2014 07:30 am (UTC)
That is a crappy situation. So they owe you an estimated $500 then. I doubt you'll ever see it.
slaythenfox
Feb. 21st, 2014 02:10 pm (UTC)
Tbh I doubt I'll see it too. Kinda screws me up a little bit because I was so excited for this., and it feels like I've been taken advantage of. Which just makes me feel the worst
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morti_macabre
Feb. 21st, 2014 12:38 pm (UTC)
Very disappointing to see him continue to do this sort of thing time and time again.
trentxandrew
Feb. 21st, 2014 03:30 pm (UTC)
Wow, he's become a really bad scammer. I just checked through his tag and it doesn't seem anything is resolved. That's really disappointing.
tealmoonxiv
Feb. 21st, 2014 06:01 pm (UTC)
Disgusting.
revka_hunt
Feb. 21st, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
An option you could take is notify FurBuy of stolen property being sold on their website. Provide proof that the suit is yours and you can most likely at least get the ad taken down so he can't make money off of it. Anyone who buys the suit would be an accessory to a crime that could put them behind bars.
revka_hunt
Feb. 21st, 2014 07:46 pm (UTC)
It seems the bidding is closed and an Articsilverfox has won, it wouldn't hurt to contact them and make them aware that they have purchased stolen property.
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skanrashke
Feb. 21st, 2014 08:53 pm (UTC)
She's pretty much batshit. Honestly I imagine what's going to happen is you're going to see that suit get sold for more than she owes you, and when you ask for your money she'll say "Oh I had to use it to pay medical bills".

Anyone who takes her word for anything really needs to check out her behavior beforehand, she's very untrustworthy and this is habit for her at this point. I can't even imagine how many AB posts people HAVENT posted because of fear of reprisal from her legion of 'fans'(Myself included).
kayla_la
Feb. 21st, 2014 09:00 pm (UTC)
MOD COMMENT
Please don't namecall in AB, calling her 'batshit' is definitely over that line. Thank you.
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lackoflollies
Feb. 21st, 2014 10:25 pm (UTC)
Tbh, I would try explaining the situation to the new suit owner and see if they'd be willing to do a paypal reversal (On the premise he knowingly sold stolen property), and send you the suit instead of him?

Kind of dirtbaggy, but what goes around comes around.

edit; Corrected pronouns.

Edited at 2014-02-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
slaythenfox
Feb. 22nd, 2014 01:34 am (UTC)
Tbh I don’t know if he even got his suit too, considering the furbuy page is still up.. but I don't know if that means anything
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celestinaketzia
Feb. 21st, 2014 10:48 pm (UTC)
Wow, they still haven't changed one bit.
_gilligan_
Feb. 22nd, 2014 04:20 am (UTC)
Well looks like someone else has been ripped off with the recent sale of his Poppy fursuit: http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/gillligan1/MORESTOLENMONEY22OFFEB2014_zps3001ab55.jpg
skanrashke
Feb. 22nd, 2014 09:30 am (UTC)
I saw them trying to sell that suit on facebook, and a whole bunch of folk apparently warned people NOT to buy from him on furbuy and he had to relist it and made a qq post about how people "Shouldn't begrudge him" because he "had to pay for medical bills" with the sale of the suit. *Rolls eyes*.
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slaythenfox
Feb. 22nd, 2014 06:28 am (UTC)
Okay, so I sent Ash a long message telling him how it is. I threatened legal action if I don't get a response, hopfully that'll be enough to get him to say something.
_gilligan_
Feb. 22nd, 2014 06:45 am (UTC)
I've threatened legal action too but nothing came of it, hopefully something good will come out of it for you.

Edited at 2014-02-22 07:19 am (UTC)
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brosiusra
Feb. 22nd, 2014 04:34 pm (UTC)
Hey, I'm the suit's new owner. I'm a bit...shaken that this is what happened and I really don't want to be part of it. :/

I honestly think that you need to take legal action against Flarveon, this isn't really about the Bhroady suit any more since he has exchanged hands several times. I had nothing to do with Flarveon regarding the sale; I exchanged money with arcticsilverfox's cousin (I don't know if she has an FA) and to me, that's just a normal sale.

Since Flarveon owes you (not the cousin or myself), you need to do more than just threaten legal action, it just needs to happen.

The way I see it, I paid $500+ for a suit from someone that was not Flarveon and I would really prefer to keep him. We can try to work something out or try to get in contact with Flarveon, I just emailed the person I bought the suit from to see if I can get any contact details.

I'm willing to stay in touch with you and try to work something out; I'd really prefer to keep the fursuit and I don't really have much in the way of disposable funds (saving up for FWA and an apartment), but like I said, I can stay in touch.

I just honestly don't think I really have anything to do with this situation other than being the suit's new owner. Arcticsilverfox is the one that initially exchanged money for the suit with Flarveon.
sableantelope
Feb. 22nd, 2014 11:01 pm (UTC)
I just want to let you that you are involved as the stolen suit's new owner. The suit can be legally confiscated from you with no compensation to you.
Being in possession of the suit, especially now you know it is stolen goods, means you can't just walk away from the situation.

Being in possession of stolen goods can get you into trouble yourself('recieving' of the stolen goods is the crime); and, actually, not knowing the goods were stolen when you bought them is only partially a defense, it might not get you off the hook completely. Now that you know the goods are stolen keeping possession of the suit isn't an option for you from a legal standpoint. And it actually could get you into real hot water.


You can try to get your $500 back from the seller who sold it to you, but they are likely to end up in the same boat- trying to get what they paid back from whom they bought it from. Basically each buyer would have to go one step back until it reached back to Flaveon. Once the original buyer is compensated, then everyone down the chain of possession can try for compensation.

However if the original buyer from Flaveon should have had any doubt at all about buying from the seller, base in this case Flaveon's past could be an issue, or if the price was unusually low, then they might not be able to get any award. That means everyone down the line is pretty well out of luck as well.



It's great you want to keep in touch and try and work things out person to person, but that's not what you are obligated to do.

(edit: missed a "not")


Edited at 2014-02-22 11:02 pm (UTC)
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slaythenfox
Feb. 22nd, 2014 07:41 pm (UTC)
It looks like it's being worked out on A_B, sadly there have been no reports by buyers or sellers on FurBuy of bad behavior from direct experience with the user on our site. Unfortunately, due to fairness, we cannot and will not consider behavior outside of our site as grounds for taking action against their account. If our users report this user for violating FurBuy's policies we will surely take action against them. Since the transaction you had with the person did not take place on our system, there's nothing we can do in this situation. As for stolen goods, you would need a police report in order to prove to us that the item(s) sold on FurBuy were indeed stolen property and in violation of our policies. Without legal representation for the item(s) we cannot take one person's word, and additionally, the auction closed nearly a year ago and the item(s) have apparently changed hands many times since. So this is a situation well beyond our ability to step in.

Please keep us informed of the legal status of the issue, and if you have legal evidence proving that the item(s) sold were indeed stolen, we will be happy to take action against the user. In the future, you might wish to consider using an auctioneering or consignment system like FurBuy which offers you protection and recourse against bad sales like this. Our staff is here to assist people in making good business transactions and following-through in a timely manner with incidents and issues in order to come to a positive outcome.

The email I got back from FB

Making a trip to the police to file report and see what can be done
celestinaketzia
Feb. 22nd, 2014 09:51 pm (UTC)
I definitely recommend filing a police report. As far as you're concerned he stole property from you.
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_spookyfox
Feb. 23rd, 2014 05:08 am (UTC)
idk if this helps, but he seems to be very active on tumblr: http://ashakitaisaloser.tumblr.com. if things fall through again and you can't get in touch with him through FA/FB you could try tumblr as another option.
cathzcathz
Feb. 25th, 2014 12:41 am (UTC)
They also updated a youtube video just three days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E_AYixIbzk
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slaythenfox
Jul. 24th, 2014 04:00 pm (UTC)
UPDATE: Apparently he's selling the suit again
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14074905/
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