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Beware; Ryoa

User; http://www.furaffinity.net/user/ryoa/ & http://ryoah.deviantart.com/ & http://ryoah.tumblr.com/

Around August end; 18/19/20th, I accepted a trade with the FA user Ryoa. We had swapped characters, both accepted and agreed on swapping flat color full bodies. I completed my half a few days later and waited for theirs. I left a shout along the lines of 'Can you draw him? LINK, What would you like me to draw?' I have no proof of this shout as Ryoa's shouts cut off.

Furthest back my shouts go; http://i.imgur.com/BhDLOeP.png

My half finished; http://i.imgur.com/joZtPfv.png

Sept. 14th I ask for an update; http://i.imgur.com/D2tSuLl.png and receive an update; http://i.imgur.com/BQF4v85.png

I waited again, with nothing from the artist. No updates to their FA. I asked for updates again on the 11th and 17th, again with no response. I sent them an ask on tumblr as they had been active there once I tracked it down.
http://i.imgur.com/uu5ZOCy.png

I had gotten a response later on. Ryoa claimed they had never received my character info. They claimed I had never linked my ref, and explained they lied about starting my half. I link the ref again, and they finally admit they cannot see it as it is rated mature. I resend SFW & non FA links with bits cropped out. I also tell them lying is bad and they should have just stated they couldn't see the ref.

http://i.imgur.com/8WVxq2W.png Their replies and finished artwork.
http://i.imgur.com/pJmlhb6.png My replies.

I receive this image; http://i.imgur.com/mMAuPVw.jpg
It is so blurry I cannot even make out half the details and it is not what re agreed upon. The character is wrong, color and design wise.
The ears are on the wrong side, the hoodie is the wrong style and color. My characters colors are wrong as well. The hair is also wrong, even counting stylistic differences. I linked 3 ref images, one drawn by myself included. It seems Ryoa had just clocked the first link and hastily drawn based on that one, which, I guess is my own fault but that does not excuse the blurriness, incorrect colors and wrong type of artwork.

They have no wiped their FA page of info and all artworks are now gone.

Edit; People have brought up their age, of 14. I was not aware of this when we had agreed to the trade, as it was not stated on the FA profile, where the transaction took place. I assumed they was of age because they stated on the profile they were a graphic design and engineering student. They also state this on their dA profile as well. They age may be their fursonas age.

Edit #2; I have contacted them many times on Tumblr, all of which they have ignored. They only responded to my original tumblr ask which is posted above. I have asked multiple times for them to get in touch, and if they could rescan the image they drew. They are active. I have 'asked' via a tumblr so they can respond as well, and they have not. They also have a new spam of shouts from a friend on their FA profile, unsure if this is to push mine off or not.

Edit #3
Today I have finally received my half.
I posted a journal publicly (with no names) and they finally contacted me, and I gave them a hard deadline for the image to be fixed. They told me they could rescan it but then latter said they couldn't, so they redrew it.

On the 18th they told me they sent me the image via tumblr, which I never got, and I replied that. They did reply with it on the 21st.
The image had the feet wrong which I asked them to fix in my reply that day. I had to hunt them down on tumblr to get a response. I got the edits just now on the 31st.

All in all Im happy to finally get my half, but the fact that I literally had to hunt them down, and all the lies put a bad taste in my mouth.

This can be marked as resolved.

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vauvakolibri
Nov. 21st, 2013 02:13 pm (UTC)
I really don't get their logic, if they had immediately said they couldn't see the ref (assuming they at least glanced the ref when they got it), there would had been no risk of you getting angry. And it's not like that problem would have fixed itself in any way so there was no sense in waiting and lying.
As for the colours, bit of a YMMV case there since though they're not correct in the sense of being exactly same, it seems they tried some experimental "pop-artsy" colouring rather than doing the colours "wrong", though I can see it being irritating if that was not what you expected.
Peyopup
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:02 pm (UTC)
I do not understand as well. You may be right that they didn't even look at it until they intended to draw it after I bothered them.

As for the colors, even if it is pop art, I don't understand why his sweater is orange and red, when it's yellow in every image. Clearly they had a yellow marker.

(Edited for a word error)

Edited at 2013-11-21 09:09 pm (UTC)
vauvakolibri
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:16 pm (UTC)
It's possible they wanted a limited palette with mostly orange. It's possible they personally consider the yellow so warm that orange fit it to them. It's also possible their yellow marker was dying or something. The point was that it seems more of a conscious decision to play with the colours.

No one knows except the artist, but like said it's a "Your Mileage May Vary" issue as I personally am not someone who cares that much how people draw my characters, but I understand how it may bother you.
mazz
Nov. 21st, 2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
I'm so confused on why they didn't tell you they couldn't see the image right away unless they didn't check. The first thing I do it open ref images and right click save them.

Them ditching FA makes me wonder if they have other trades they haven't bothered t do yet.
honeybunny
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:02 pm (UTC)
(sorry in advance this got really long)
were you aware they were 14? I didn't see their profile before it was wiped but according to their dA they linked to they've claimed to be underage? I guess that's kind of irrelevant but maybe to avoid this in the future it'd be wise to link to SFW references by default, unless you're specifically asking for NSFW art.

tbh it looks tk me like this beware is really unnecessary, reading your exchanges they just seem like a young artist who got nervous and made a mistake because they genuinely didn't want to upset you. I don't think you really reacted poorly during the transaction but posting them here might be taking it a little too far imo, as they DID deliver their half when it got all sorted out. the fact that it's not to your liking seems like a problem on your part rather than something that needs to be brought up to the community, and if they look up to you as much as they claim they might be willing to fix some things if you'd ask. you mentioned here that the character was drawn incorrectly, so why wasn't this brought up with them? and as for it being traditional rather than digital, that's probably just another oversight they made out of nervousness. why not ask if they can send you the original, or touch it up digitally? that certainly doesn't seem like too much to ask. (and honestly, if they're willing to do anything to help turn the situation around, I'd consider that more than enough compensation for the miscommunication)

as for the 'wiping their profile' thing......that seems a lot more like a 14 year old kid withdrawing because they made a mistake rather than someone trying to run off with free art, you know? I could just be a little too lenient but tbh this situation seems vaaaastly less dire than you've made it out to be by writing this beware. I'll agree it's irresponsible of them to run away like this but they've linked to their dA and tumblr publicly, you might consider contacting them (privately !! no need to cause a bigger scene with more public comments) and seeing if there's anything they can do to turn this situation around? it doesn't look to me like it's beyond saving at this point. I might consider this warranted if they were a repeat offender, but at this point I really don't think anyone should be wary of a 14 year old for being a little flaky during one trade...
Peyopup
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:07 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
Their age was not stated on their profile. I linked my standard ref sheet which is mature, not adult. And they did not tell me they couldn't view it like many other artists I have traded with. A simple 'Sorry I cannot see adult images' would have been enough for me to link other refs, which I did as you can see in the beware.

The image is not what was agreed upon. Not only is it not digital, it is not full body. I cannot even see all the details it is so blurry, that's extremely unacceptable.

Also, trades are not 'free' you exchange art as payment. This type of view on trades is why so many people think it is okay to just not complete their half. We agreed on an exchange and they did not hold up their half; age doesn't matter. I have traded with multiple minors before.
honeybunny
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:44 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
alright, just making sure! obviously I don't think anyone is justified in lying OR that this is the reason this transaction didn't go so well, but I do still suggest linking to SFW references by default--whether you take it or not is completely up to you of course, but it does make things more convenient if nothing else. this is unrelated though so I'll drop it, just something to consider in the future.

yeah see...that's why I suggested bringing it up with them? not leaving a vaguely passive aggressive comment that they fucked up even more and then telling a_b that there are all these extra mistakes they made, I mean an actual mention of 'hey, you actually got this and this wrong, do you think you could fix it?' you're correct, if it wasn't what you agreed upon then you're right to feel upset. I felt the need to comment because I don't feel that you even tried to fix the situation after receiving your half of the trade, and jumped right to posting them to a_b because you were dissatisfied.

I never actually said that trades = free art, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I never said they were justified at all in what they did, I'm only saying that based on their age and the tone of their replies, they probably just panicked and you could definitely stand to be more empathetic, is all. I realize you've been patient enough in waiting for their half, but this is clearly just a mistake in communication which can probably be corrected fairly easily, but going behind their back like this is not going to do anything to help. Have you bothered asking about them on their dA or tumblr? From what I can tell, they wiped their FA because they were afraid of you reacting aggressively. If you showed them that people can be forgiving and willing to work with them, you'll do a lot more to prevent them from pulling this BS with anyone in the future than this beware will, I can promise you that much.

take what you want from my reply I guess, but I do stand my by stance on this. you sound like you get scammed on trades a lot? in the future you might consider not completing your half upfront, or working more closely with those you're trading with and exchanging WIP proof every couple days or something. again, just a suggestion, but this sort of thing may make you feel more comfortable accepting trades in the future (plus I find that more communication + WIP exchanges make the process more fun and personal, which is really what I look to get out of trades more so than the art, but I can really only speak from my own experiences here so)
Peyopup
Nov. 21st, 2013 10:47 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
This is where you mention free art; "rather than someone trying to run off with free art, you know?"

What they had drawn was not what was agreed upon, and I told them this in my latest shout. I also mentioned how blurry the image was. Im sure there is a screencap.

I know from experience that it is almost impossible to fix traditional work.
honeybunny
Nov. 21st, 2013 11:09 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
that was an exaggeration, sorry if it was confusing. what I meant with that statement was that I felt that they just panicked and didn't know what to do, and you may have been hasty in assuming they were trying to scam you out of free art. nowhere did I say that art trades = free art. this is getting really off-topic though.

so at any point did you give them any chance to correct their mistake? (they could EASILY reproduce that image and correct those design errors digitally or start over entirely. if you're correct in assuming they rushed to get something delivered to you to get you off their back, then they're not out any work by starting over, right?) did you make any attempts to contact them privately if you were so concerned? and did you make any attempts to actually make the situation right before you decided to post about them here?

tl;dr version of everything I've said: I really think you jumped the gun here. try calmly discussing this with them and see if you can resolve this. whether it can be resolved or not, you're not helping yourself by not trying.

otherwise, you've received plenty of advice on how to better handle trades in the future, so should you choose to take any of it at least you'd be a little better prepared for dealing with or avoiding this kind of situation in the future.
xubunturambles
Nov. 30th, 2013 02:28 am (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
this!
kayla_la
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:14 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
Please mind rule number 5: 5. Do not comment in a post questioning its relevance to this community.

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honeybunny
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:46 pm (UTC)
Re: (sorry in advance this got really long)
oh gosh, my mistake! I'll be more wary of this in the future.
exo_formicidae
Nov. 21st, 2013 09:45 pm (UTC)
You've probably learned this now, but some strict rules/ToS that also include trades might be a good idea. (and make sure your trade partner understands and agree)

It can i.e contain; Time limit for trade, requirements (some like to have an equally skilled trade partner) and what you expect.
I treat trades as commission and expect the other part to do so as well - so the drawing she produced is not really up to what she promised.

I'm not sure how you should go on from now on though, she is old enough to understand the rules of a trade, but at the same time young enough that she shouldn't be hunted down for any mistakes :/ weather you ask her to fix it/re-draw or drop it is up to you really. I do a lot of trades so might keep an eye out for the name in the future though, just as a pre-caution :)
Peyopup
Nov. 21st, 2013 10:49 pm (UTC)
I am waiting for their response, as I mentioned it was not what we agreed upon and was quite blurry. After she responds I'll figure out what to do based on her reply.

I may just have to chalk it up to a lost cause.
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