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Commissioner Beware: Sin.

WHO: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.

WHERE: YCH Auction I hosted. Here

WHAT: Icon (edited without permission from mentioned commissioner) and unpaid winning bid for YCH auction.

WHEN: September 15th-Current



EXPLAIN: On Sept. 11th, I was emailed by Sin. for a couple $3 Word Bubble icons I have posted on FA of her character and her boyfriend's. Payment was sent and I had the icons finished the next day. She asked for edits to the icons, wanting a different color background and different hairstyle. It was an easy fix and I had them ready the next day (Sept. 13th) I posted them online and noticed the next day (Sept 14th) that both icons were uploaded on her account, but they were changed, and she had added stars to the icons. I was upset by this, as I do not like my work edited without prior permission, and the edits made could have been done by me. I confronted her about the edits, allowing her to keep the edited icons up but telling her that permission is needed when someone makes edits to my work.

This is also the day that my YCH auction was up, and Sin. was the winning bidder for two slots. My description states I need payment 24 hours after the winning and I made this comment a day late, so I understood if a payment is late. I noticed that payment still wasn't made and left a note on the 16th which was read the same day but left unanswered. I sent a second note early morning on the 18th, warning that non payment will lead to her being barred from future auctions if I didn't receive payment by end of the day. This note was also read with no response, nothing at all.

I would be more than happy to wait for payment had I received a response of some type, but so far nothing.

PROOF:

Proof of Icon Edits:
ORIGINALS 
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/boner100_zps3e4bef78.jpg (NSFW for language)
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/wut100_zps612e0f92.jpg

EDITS
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/ralphwaldopicklechips_zps1a7d0505.gif (NSFW for language)
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/sin_zpsfea253ac.gif

Emails:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/edit_email_zpsfb32ed8e.png (edited to take out my name and her name)

YCH Proof:
Original Auction with 24 hour payment notice:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/24hournotice_zps0eee7538.jpg

Sin.'s winning bids:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/Winningbid_proof_zpsf6fac088.jpg

First reminder note:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/YCH_reminer_first_zpsaba028f7.png

Second:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/YCH_2nd_note_zpsa1b16797.png

Proof notes were read:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh9/anna-nah-nah2/Artist%20Beware/YCH_notes_read_zpsf96cf389.png

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Comments

( 30 comments — Leave a comment )
kamilamutt
Sep. 24th, 2013 10:13 pm (UTC)
Aaaah wow, editing stuff without permission is such a gross thing to do... ):
asking for permission doesn't take more than one minute!
I'm sorry that happened to you.
adzuki
Sep. 25th, 2013 03:58 am (UTC)
Yeah, when she said she knew she shouldn't have done it, I couldn't help but feel a bit more upset, and I had taken a few moments to gather myself before emailing her to complain about it.

I dunno. Other commissioners always asked if they could edit or change work before, it just caught me off guard.
slinkslowdown
Sep. 24th, 2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
I'm confused, how does that show the notes were read? There's no such feature on any of my FA notes...
adzuki
Sep. 24th, 2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
You can tell when someone read their notes when the note title is no longer bold and yellow. At least that is what I understand.
(no subject) - slinkslowdown - Sep. 24th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
celestinaketzia
Sep. 24th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
Unread notes are bold and have a yellow icon on them when you look at them in your outbox.

Edit: Oops, ninja'd

Edited at 2013-09-24 10:23 pm (UTC)
mochacorgi
Sep. 25th, 2013 11:05 am (UTC)
What is up with Artists and/or commissioners thinking it's okay to edit things without permission? You paid us to do this, and if you wanted stars, you should've said so in the first place. :I
adzuki
Sep. 25th, 2013 03:45 pm (UTC)
Part of me thinks it is not knowing that the art does still belong to the artist, which it does in many cases like this. People might believe since they paid for it they can do what they please with the work.

Like I said, I felt insulted that she edited the work without asking as I could have made those edits myself if she had asked.
(no subject) - mochacorgi - Sep. 25th, 2013 10:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - adzuki - Sep. 26th, 2013 05:53 am (UTC) - Expand
teekchan
Sep. 25th, 2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
Sin. had initiated a few trades with me, and told me to contact her via notes and never responded. Maybe she reads them and forgets to reply? I know a few people who do this.
adzuki
Sep. 25th, 2013 03:35 pm (UTC)
I don't know as I cannot speak for Sin.
I was hoping to receive some sort of response to the notes whether she was going to pay for the auction or not.
badwolfsin
Sep. 26th, 2013 05:28 am (UTC)
Okay,

first of all,

It was wrong of me to edit the icons.
I told you I would take them down.
I apologized. There really isn't much more I could do.

I really am sorry, all I added was stars and a bunch of trippy highlights. Which was still, very wrong of me to do.

Second,
I have a bad habit of checking notes on my phone while I'm working and forget to respond and pretty much forget I ever had them in the first place.

Again, very messy and unorganized for me to do.

I haven't deleted a single note since probably 2011-2012.

But--
I was having bank troubles, wooh sounds pretty unbelievable, but it's true. I had a whole $10 in one bank account, but $100 in the other that I couldn't touch for a few days because of this whole open a new account with chase thing, irrelevant, sorry.

We both sent emails back and forth about the icons. I was really sorry about it, and still am, it was a really dumb thing of me to do. But you had literally written it off. The discussion was pretty much over.

"You may keep them up. I generally do not mind if people do things as long as they ask before.

As long as you give me credit for them, I am ok. Just ask next time. :)

Thank you for being understanding."

The last message you sent to me.


But back to the YCH, you stated that if I didn't pay by the end of the day, they would be forfeited, and that I would be banned from your auctions, which I completely agreed with.

I was late in paying, and there was literally nothing I could do but wait until I could transfer money into the account that was actually tied to my paypal (because the bank card for the other account wasn't even in yet, and they said I had to leave the money in there for a few days anyway). The bank was very confusing about the whole ordeal, and I actually thought I could withdraw it immediately, but that wasn't the case, which, actually set a lot of things back for me.


I agree on pretty much everything you said,
and I really should have just let you known about the bank situation.

I read notes while I'm up at work with nothing else to do then a customer walks in and I put my phone away and completely forgot what I just did. It's a bad habit of mine. ;;

But I felt it was fair and over with since I didn't pay within the 24 hours, I honestly deserved the penalty.

I thought we resolved the icon issue. I'm in fact no longer using mine because I felt terrible about editing it... I need to get my boyfriend to hop on his account and switch his too.

I feel like I wasn't OUTRIGHT rude in any way, or intentionally at least. So I'm sorry if it (happened to come)// came across this way.

I'm sorry I became one of those commissioners that left a bad taste in your mouth, and for not responding right away.

I realize what I did wrong, and sadly there's nothing more I can do but apologize for it and just not do it again in the future.

Have a great night,
-Sin.
adzuki
Sep. 26th, 2013 05:42 am (UTC)
I hope you understand that I included the part about the edits because I felt it was important. Yes, I did allow you to keep them but the fact they were made and posted without permission was something that should be pointed out.

You may not have intended to be rude by your actions, but I was very hurt that the icon I made for you wasn't good enough and needed further editing in order for you to post it. Those were my exact feelings. No one has ever, to my knowledge, edited my work without asking first. So it was a shock to say the least.

To the YCH Auction and notes. I would have preferred that you tell me that it would be a few days, a response to either of the notes or the comment I left would have been fine, but since I had been left with nothing to go by I called it a loss. Money problems happens and I am very understanding of that, but I am also not psychic and cannot guess if you have forgotten to respond, are having difficulties, or if you were simply blowing me off.

All I had were notes that were read and left unanswered and I took action.

(no subject) - badwolfsin - Sep. 26th, 2013 06:09 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - adzuki - Sep. 26th, 2013 08:00 am (UTC) - Expand
teekchan
Sep. 26th, 2013 02:25 pm (UTC)
Stepping in here!
If you cannot pay for an auction, tell the artist. Often enough they can extend the pay time (If it's a day or so) or will be happy to withdraw you bid.

It's when people just vanish that artists (well most) feel scammed.
(no subject) - badwolfsin - Sep. 26th, 2013 08:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - teekchan - Sep. 27th, 2013 01:19 am (UTC) - Expand
xubunturambles
Sep. 27th, 2013 07:20 am (UTC)
Please keep this in mind: When you bid in an auction, you have to go in there thinking that you're going to win, because if "something happens" it's very inconvenient and annoying to an artist when a person ignores/"forgets"/can't pay for the thing they won :/ No excuses. You either bid seriously or don't bid at all.
(no subject) - badwolfsin - Sep. 27th, 2013 09:23 am (UTC) - Expand
galaxybulle
Sep. 27th, 2013 09:32 am (UTC)
-sigh-
Dumb...

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and someone bid on something then had troubles, they would fully expect an extension or forgiveness.

But when someone else has troubles OH GOD EXCUSES

YOU SHOULD HAVE TOTALLY KNOWN THE BANK WAS GONNA FUCK YOU OVER
HOW DARE YOU BID ON SOMETHING AND THEN YOUR BANK NOT LET YOU HAVE MONEY

YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT A GUN AND TOOK IT TO THE BANK AND MADE THEM GIVE YOU MONEY SO YOU CAN PAY OFF MY AUCTION OMFG

(Btw guys she's not lying I witnesses the bank do this we even looked over the statements.)


My comment may be a little hostile but c'mon guys. Problems happen.

At least she isn't ripping people off. Sure these situations happen but everyone makes mistakes.
This one wasn't even her fault :/ just calm down.

Sin is a good person.
Everyone deserves a second chance. Sin isn't a scammer or someone who will rip you off. I know her.

Just calm down a bit and be more professional and civilized.

-Galaxy

Edited at 2013-09-27 09:37 am (UTC)
vauvakolibri
Sep. 27th, 2013 11:38 am (UTC)
Re: -sigh-
You realize the problem here is not communicating the troubles to the artist, right? The artist commented:
"I would be more than happy to wait for payment had I received a response of some type, but so far nothing."
and
"Money problems happens and I am very understanding of that, but I am also not psychic and cannot guess if you have forgotten to respond, are having difficulties, or if you were simply blowing me off."
All Sin had to do was ask permission to edit and tell they have problems paying, but they chose to ignore the artist when they tried to reach out to her.

Also please bear in mind that if you ask everyone to be more civilized and professional while commenting in capslock and profanity and completely missing the point, it's quite hypocritical and rude.

Edited at 2013-09-27 11:47 am (UTC)
Re: -sigh- - badwolfsin - Sep. 27th, 2013 08:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - vauvakolibri - Sep. 27th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - demonofdreams - Sep. 27th, 2013 01:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - aerospiritual - Sep. 27th, 2013 01:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - armaina - Sep. 27th, 2013 03:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - badwolfsin - Sep. 27th, 2013 07:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: -sigh- - adzuki - Sep. 27th, 2013 09:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
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