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Beware - Ahimsa

Big update, see proof for additional proof, of WIPs from the artist in the past.

Update, see bottom.

Second update, see below previous.

Third update regarding how this can be resolved, at the bottom.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4997382 (now taken down)

Who: Ahimsa/Heavily Weighted

Where: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/ahimsa/ or http://heavilyweighted.deviantart.com/

What: A colored group drawing.

When: July 29th to August 25th/ongoing (Commish posted, though not to my specs)



Proof: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4997382 Or if the journal is taken down: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/ahimsajournal.PNG and this PDF https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/Good%20to%20know.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/myretorttojournal.PNG The links go to: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11353702/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11454302/

Additional proof of WIPs: http://puu.sh/4enSP.png

Stream posts and stream log: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/streamjournal.PNG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/streamlog.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-12%2020_12_30.png

Notes exchanged: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/notes.png

Explanation: This artist has been quite good in the past to be sure, and he draws a lot of multiple character images. Being in the mood to get a few pictures done of me and people close to me, I chose him as one of the artists to commission. I want a flat color, but he somehow reads that as "Cell shaded" which is pricier, but I like the artist's work, so I go with that. I pay up front, then give him the refs. Normally, he makes things really really quickly, so, after no contact for over a week, I note him, wondering when he can draw. I'm not demanding he draw on the spot, I just wanted to know when he would. He reacts hostilely, which confuses me. I clarify I'm not trying to rush him, I'm only trying to be informed. A couple days later, on his commission list, he updates mine as "lined". I ask for a WIP, no reply. A day or two later, he does the coloring stream as noted in the proof section of this post. That goes poorly as he ignores all I have to say other than one change he does implement. Then he's silent for quite a long time. I note him a week later, asking if everything is alright. No reply. Then another week later, he posts the image. Now, according to the streamlog, he declared the commish "done" two weeks back, so why didn't he post it then? He posted other images, as one can see from his FA page. Regardless, I quietly note him, saying he ignored my messages, even in the stream, and asked to have the piece fixed. He not so quietly posts a journal very directly complaining about me, because I had another image done in between him starting and him posting my piece, that was another group image with another person in. He believes I had the image done because he was taking too long, but I already wanted a couple of images of me and people close to me done. I don't even need to justify myself, what I do with my money is my business. His business is to provide what I paid for, which he didn't. I'll mark this AB as resolved if the artist apologizes for his behavior, and fixes the various issues (missing markings, facial changes, the hats, etc.).

Update, this situation is more or less not going to get resolved. The journal link up top seems to not be down, amazingly. It seems the artist thinks he really is in the right. In case it does go down, here is a PDF of the page: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9942731/evidence/ahimsa/Good%20to%20know.pdf

To sum it up, he states that showing a commissioner a WIP of an already paid piece isn't a right of the commissioner, lied about the content of my notes, then ignored the fact I showed otherwise, ignored me stating his whole reason for starting drama wasn't accurate, and he then ignores other people disagreeing with him. I am pretty sure I'm getting an improper image and a headache out of this occurrence and nothing more.

Update two, not really an update but possible clarification, me and this artist have been friendly for some time and I've purchased a fair few pieces from him, interacted with him in much the same way I did here, and even showed WIPs before. Also, if my initial note setting him off was a problem, why not refund me and refuse to do the piece? He did cease noting back, but when he streamed, he seemed amiable at first (until he flat ignored me after one fix) and merely posted that journal because I happened to get a second, unrelated group piece done (with additional characters) and he dug it up, and then flipped out quite immaturely.

I've decided in the interest of fairness, that I state three things that all need to be done at this point to resolve this AB post. One, unblocking me and publicly apologizing, as the drama was public, the apology should also be. Two, making a clear and concise ToS so future commissioners don't have the same issues as I did, and three, fixing the piece as I originally wanted.

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Comments

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celestinaketzia
Aug. 29th, 2013 02:37 am (UTC)
What a horrific attitude.

1. It's not your fault he undercharged. He can't complain about the prices that HE set.

2. WIPs are not a requirement, no, but if he doesn't intend to show them or to allow clients to ask for changes then he needs to be very clear on that from the get-go. As far as I can see he has no ToS to speak of.
catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 02:49 am (UTC)
Fun fact, back in May, I commished him, and when I asked about the progress, I got:
http://puu.sh/4dz3O.png

Amazing how cooperative he was! Also, he did indeed email the WIP that time. It started about the same, I paid up front, about a week of nothing, I asked when he'd start (not that he should start riiight nooow) and he politely told me when it'd be done, politely. I asked pretty much the exact same way , though waited a couple extra days than before, and got this sudden rudeness.
lackoflollies
Aug. 29th, 2013 02:44 am (UTC)
Holy SHIT how unprofessional.
sbneko
Aug. 29th, 2013 02:56 am (UTC)
Not excusing him what so ever, but the way you worded asking when he'd start seems...off? When I read it, it does sort of sound impatient, like "I've already paid, why haven't you started yet?". Although I'd never react like they did.

But! Perhaps a better way to word it would be, maybe: Could I have an idea on when you'd be starting? Just curious!

That's just me though! You of course totally don't have to do that.
catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 03:00 am (UTC)
Well, it's a smidge late now, also he blocked me at random, I'd not said anything since the last reply you can see on the journal, so he seemed to have just gotten around to it randomly. I only asked like that because he had been speedier before, and besides, after he reacted badly, I only turned up my polite meter and apologized for any misunderstandings, only to be ignored from there out.
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kamilamutt
Aug. 29th, 2013 03:01 am (UTC)
I agree with Sbneko that it kind of bugged me the wording when you asked when the artist would start (but you said you already asked him before and he had not reacted that way)
But...

"You think others had even the SLIGHTEST privileges you did? Most of my commissioners do not see a WIP, let alone see it done in front of their face (...) you're only out about the cost of a value meal at a fast food chain, so shove that up your ass along with your future endeavors."

...Wow. This artist attitude is truly horrible, I'm sorry you had to deal with it.

(edited for typos)

Edited at 2013-08-29 03:03 am (UTC)
catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 03:08 am (UTC)
Well, judging by this here avatar of me, but I must be totally drunk, completely explaining my roguish behavior. /kidding

Nah, I'm just curious at this point if it's a problem if I edit the piece a bit, fix the tail on one character, my glasses, etc, but still give all credit to Ahimsa.
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catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 03:57 am (UTC)
Mmmno, no ToS, and he has shown WIPs before. He also doesn't have any option higher than like 15 dollars.
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timelapsedecay
Aug. 29th, 2013 04:06 am (UTC)
Mmmh yeah I agree with the others, communication could have been more polite. "Attract more flies with honey" and all that. BUT the artist doesn't smell like roses at all either.
Idk, could have been better handled on both sides, but in the end the artist is the problem in this equation for me. Just UNACCEPTABLE attitude from them. Thanks for posting up this beware!
houndofloki
Aug. 29th, 2013 04:12 am (UTC)
Yeah, beware well warranted.

If you don't offer WIPs below a certain pricepoint, that's totally fine, but you should make clients aware of it in either your ToS or your communication.

9 bucks is indeed a ridiculously low price for a 3-character picture, but it's not your fault he decided to change that and he shouldn't take it out on you.

Really don't understand his journal. Why would the artist even care if you wanted to commission 2 people to draw the same concept or 356 people to draw the same concept, as long as he gets paid for his labor? It's your money.

Just a mess all over the place.
catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 04:24 am (UTC)
The one he's mad about was finished weeks before he posted his, mind, I actually commissioned the other one first, while he thinks I, uh... just snuck off to some black market to get a picture done or some such? I think it may be hurt pride, but that's none of my concern. Besides, the other artist actually showed WIPs, listened, was polite and commutative, speed was not my concern, reliability was.
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catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 05:34 am (UTC)
Like, 9$ is kinda pricy for a value meal in my experience. Maybe accurate for two or three value meals? =U

I'm most upset that I've got a commish that's, well, wrong, and it'll never be right, and an artist I once liked, I'm now just hated by.
karthegrax
Aug. 29th, 2013 08:24 am (UTC)
Ugh. I am so sick of artists who use the 'you paid x amount and thats cheap so don't expect communication, me to edit mistakes I made or your picture to be done in a reasonable amount of time'. If you make a deal with someone to give them art, be it a trade, a request, or a commission, either get off your bum and do it, or at least have the common decency to explain to them why you can't.

I can see how this guy put everything together and thought you were cross at him for being slow, but I can't believe he flipped out so much. Especially in a public journal. I guess on the upside, the art having wrong details means you won't look at it often and you won't be reminded of this total clusterf of a situation. xD
catso_san
Aug. 29th, 2013 02:47 pm (UTC)
It seems like making up details in your head and not following detailed ref sheets would be MORE effort, not less.
dragontripmon
Aug. 31st, 2013 12:46 am (UTC)
Actually the journal has been deleted now from what I noticed.
catso_san
Aug. 31st, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
You're right! He still has me blocked. He seemed to not care about me, but he must've realized this is really bad PR, so he's trying to do damage control. The wrong way.
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