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Starfinder/Kannos Update

It has been brought to our attention that Starfinder/Kannos is attempting to petition themselves back onto Furaffinity. For those new or who don't remember, feel free to browse her tag for more information on her history. She was banned from Furaffinity for not finishing commissions for years and refusing to comply with admin requests.

This is a post to touch base with past commissioners and check to see if her statements that she owes no further work and is in the clear are true. This is not a post to attack her, be it here or on her inkbunny, and we will be taking action against people from here that we find commenting on her page after this post goes up.

So again, anyone who has commissioned Starfinder/Kannos, please let us know if she still owes you work. We will be taking the information we gain from this post to Furaffinity for them to review, good or bad. Links to past AB posts you have made or proof that she does indeed owe you would be more helpful than vague comments, thank you!
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kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:21 pm (UTC)
I decided to poke my head in here and say a few words, since well..I am the topic at hand after all. That, and it seems there's some confusion around here so I feel the need to clarify some things.

First, everyone has their arms up in the air over me removing Utunu's comment, but I suppose that may be my fault for not making the original journal's intentions more clear (thus I had to edit to elaborate on it). That journal was NOT meant to be a 'let's dredge up the past and review what I did way back when" type of thing. That journal was meant to highlight my activities on the Inkbunny website in the past 2 years. It was meant to showcase solid proof of my complete change in both business practices and client relations. Everyone knows what I did in the past, and there was no point in re-hashing it again and again. I put that journal up with the intent of showing people how I IMPROVED, not reminding them of how I failed in the past. So I do apologize if you guys mis-interpreted that, but my intent was not to 'bury' the past but merely to offer a forum where people can comment about how I've improved and what working with me is like now (and for the past 2 years).

Besides, had I wanted to ignore Utunu, I would have just removed his comment and blocked him. This is what I would have done in my old days when my head was chilling up my sphincter. But these aren't those days. So I immediately drafted up a note/PM for him explaining what I just explained above, and then telling him that I would love to work to set this back on track and shuffle him over to my 'happy' list, which is quite massive these days. We've since then been e-mailing back and forth several times per day going over details and such. If I had no interest in making amends, do you think I would have done any of this? When his friend messaged me about it (not knowing I was in contact with him) I didn't snark at him at all, or block him, or do any of the stuff I'd have done in the past. I just politely let him know that Utunu and I are already in contact and not to worry about it.

In regards to collaborating with Mondeis, I really do not know what she has done for you guys to dislike her so much, however I can only speak from my own experiences with her. All three collaborations have went off without ANY problems from either end (I actually just received her colored version of the last collab yesterday and am waiting for her feedback on adjustments). Also, she is the biggest repeat commissioner that I have. Of the over 180 new commissions I have successfully completed in the past 2 years, she accounts for around 16 or 17 of them. She has never been anything but amazingly pleasant to work with, and she's always paid me on time when she commissioned me. So, based on my experience with her I will continue to work with her.

That said, I think my current track record speaks loud and clear about how I do things now. Every commission is on a strict 'pay upon completion' basis, communication is nice and clear, and everyone is happy. Think about this: I have a lot of bills. And due to bad credit, I am expected to pay large deposits and high interest rates, so my bills are a lot higher than yours most likely. Even though I do not get enough commissions each month to pay all my bills on time, I still get enough to scrape by. All those commissions are paid upon completion and customer satisfaction. Would I be able to live and pay (most of) my bills if I was not running an honest business? The answer is no, I would not. While the volume of work I get is not enough to sustain my financial needs fully, it's still substantial enough that you can not overlook it. In the past 2 years I have successfully completed $11,000 worth of 'pay upon complete' commissions under my new business model. Sure, that only breaks down to around $5,500/year, which is nothing when you factor in that just my rent + car payment/insurance is $1,300/mo. But it's still a very large dollar amount that is attributed to happy people.This is not me saying "Hey I drew 4 sketches in 2 months and those 4 people were really happy so look, I changed!" This is me demonstrating a steady trend that spanned over 2 years so far and continues to this day.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:21 pm (UTC)
Regarding things I still owe, by all means contact me about it. I WILL work with you to make sure you receive the art you want (actually, I will put together something worth MORE than what you originally paid for to make up for the wait and unpleasantness). I'm not the stuck-up little kid with their head up their ass that I used to be. I'm reasonable and I'm willing to ensure that everyone gets what they want, but if I have no contact/communication I can't do that. The best way to reach me is to actually TALK TO me, instead of talking about me behind my back.

I have no intention of screwing anyone over. My intent is simple: Pay my bills and live a decent, comfortable life. No more 'past due' notices. No more utilities getting shut off due to non-payment. No more overdrawn bank balances because my rent checks are not fully backed. Just, living a normal life. In time I would like to rebuild my credit because the lack of income made it take a nosedive and you can not get anything done ANYWHERE in this country with a score of 475. The only reason I even have a place to live is because the building belongs to a family friend who was willing to overlook my credit situation as long as I pay my rent. For those of you who wish to see me forever in 'limbo' and such, just remember that I'm a human being just like you. I am sure that each and every one of you on here has done something in your lifetime that you are not proud of. That you regret. But you would all want to be forgiven for it, especially if you actually took the effort to change and move past that issue rather than wallowing in it. You guys are quick to put an unhappy commissioner on a pedestal, but let's be fair and so the same with the happy ones, too. Their experience(s) hold just as much weight as the unhappy ones. I also fail to see how I am even in a position to 'screw' someone when I do not take payment until completion. I am actually in a position where I can be screwed (and I have, several times). It is absolutely impossible for a commissioner to not be happy when they ask for a commission and then sit back and pay nothing until the art is finished and approved by them. I do not see how anyone can find fault in this way of working.

This community claims to exist to 'inform' and do no harm, but actually you guys have done a LOT of harm, much of which was completely unrelated to my dealings in the furry fandom. I still have not forgotten when you guys contacted my fine art publisher to let them know I draw 'adult material' and get my contract terminated. The piddly royalties I was getting from that would have amounted to a substantial amount of money over time, and it was helping me get by. Now it is gone. I did nothing wrong to the publisher, and yet you guys ruined that even though it was unrelated to the fandom.
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2013 07:28 pm (UTC)
What I don't understand is:

1. Why are you expecting people to contact you? Why not be pro-active and try to clean these debts of your own accord instead of blaming people for not trying hard enough to get what they're owed from you? I don't understand because I know if -I- had old debts swimming around, I would be tracking them down myself and trying to work it out, instead of leaving a comment somewhere and implying people who don't happen to see it are out of luck and don't deserve their stuff.

2. There are a couple of comments here now stating that they HAVE made many attempts to email you not too long ago and they went unanswered. If you're eager to solve things, why is this happening?

I'm going to ignore your attempt to guilt trip at the end there. I have no interest in anything but protecting customers, and I would be just fine in you coming back to FA if all of your old debts were cleared away and you stuck to your pay upon completion model. But there are comments from people still owed, right in this post, that you could have replied to that you didn't, and that doesn't give me a good feeling. It feels like you and Greenreaper both have this idea that because these debts were from years ago, it's okay to forget them now that you've 'changed', but these are still real people who gave you their money for a product that they didn't receive, and I don't understand why you think mere time devalues that.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:35 pm (UTC)
Because in many cases I no longer have their contact info, they have changed names, etc. Utunu is a great example of this. I had no clue who he is in actuality, otherwise I'd have touched base a lot sooner. If I don't know what name/contact info people are using these days it's rather hard for me to find them. I am not on FA to keep tabs on people's username changes and what not. My knowledge of who these people are is stuck back in the time(s) they commissioned me at, which in some cases can be MANY years ago.

If I can remember who they are, I have finished their past due art. I just finished Kesslan's piece last night and sent it out to the e-mail I had on file. I don't know if he still uses it, but it's also posted in my gallery so it's public for all to see and I hope it DOES reach his inbox too.

I didn't read all the comments, but the only one who has contacted me about this anytime recently has been Utunu. I don't know if people are trying to e-mail me at my old star@nvisionphotosandart.com e-mail address..but if they are, I stopped using that one over 2 years ago when it became overrun with spam. So even if someone e-mailed me last week, I would never have seen it.

I never said time devalues it. I flat out stated that I'm more than willing to give them their product, completed to an even higher level than they initially requested.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:21 pm (UTC)
So come on. I've grown up and moved past my stupid mistakes that I made in the past and have made a HUGE improvement in my overall demeanor, business practices, professionalism, etc. It would be nice now if you guys drop the 'lynch mob' mentality towards me and acknowledge this. I do not deserve to be 'in limbo forever'. I have made amends where I could (and am willing to continue to do so if people actually contact me to make amends with whoever else remains) and I have demonstrated a rock solid business model for the past 2 years. That has to count for something.

Anyhow, I have said my part. If anyone would like to contact me and be civil, you are welcome to e-mail me at kannos[at]nvisionphotosandart.com. I probably won't be poking my head in here often since it's rather out of my way but I felt that I should at least say -something- on the matter.

(Sorry for multiple comments, it doesn't fit in just one)
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
To add, maybe it is 'out of your way' to comment on here, but it would probably look better if you did so regardless of the inconvenience instead of expecting everyone to chase you on your own terms. If you owe somebody, it is your moral obligation to make an effort to reach out to them.

You can see many comments above from people who are still owed. This is your chance to reach out to them and fix things, dropping a comment about how you're a victim and you've grown up and people can email you if they want and then taking off just doesn't make you look as intent on fixing things as you seem to believe. There is a point where you have to be pro-active. This is definitely one of them.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:38 pm (UTC)
Well, I haven't used livejournal in years, but apparently it e-mails notifications when there's updates on this post (thus why I saw your comments so fast) so that makes it a lot easier to come here since I don't have this bookmarked, so I should be able to touch base with folks more readily.

I will go skim past all the useless posts bashing me on here to try to find folks who are owed and reply to their comments and see how that goes. All I can do though is reply with my e-mail address and request that they contact me since they may not have their contact info posted for me to use that route.

I'm willing to work with folks, but I also want people to treat me with the same civility that I am showing others.
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
If you think it would help you, we would allow you to make a post of your own here on AB asking any old customers to email you at your new email. It would be much more visible than a comment hidden away in a large post, and would be more likely to get you the results you're looking for.

I understand losing contact information, but please try to understand that from our point of view, it really has looked like you have made no attempt to reach out to old customers. I'm trying to give you an opportunity to change that. But you also can't behave as if you don't deserve any of the things people have said about you. If you've changed, let that speak for itself, don't worry about what people are saying. Making passive-aggressive comments like you have been don't help, either, as it will make people second-guess whether or not you've really grown up.

We will be handing this entire post to one of our contacts in the FA admin team, so I'm sure any attempts made on your part to find all of these past owed people will help you in your efforts to be allowed on the site.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:46 pm (UTC)
Actually, if being allowed to make a post like that is possible, that would make things MUCH easier since I could sort of catch everyone's attention at once and hopefully no one will miss it.

Also I don't see anything passive aggressive about what I have said. I explained my situation and clearly stated that I'm willing to work with folks; I just expect them to be civil with me, as you have been so far, for example. Thank you for that.

I'm just trying to make a living, that's all. I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm not trying to cut anyone off in any way. I have no problem with making amends and giving people their art, I just don't want the lynch mob on me when I came here on my own trying to make things positive.
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
Well, we don't allow outright flaming, but I can't promise you won't have any sort of disagreements given your history.

I would still recommend looking through the comments and replying to people who have stated they're still owed, here, but after that, feel free to make a post to the community itself with your contact information and I'll approve it for you.

I'm civil because the absolute best outcome would be that everyone gets what they're owed and are happy, and future customers get artwork from someone they like. I have no interest in attacking you personally or making things hard for you just because. If said best outcome is possible, I have every intent on doing what I can to help it happen.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with people having disagreements, especially given the terrible stuff I did, however I just expect them to be civil, as I am being. Comments telling me that I 'deserve' whatever bad things are happening financially or what not are uncalled for. No one deserves that, and it's not like I'm sitting on my butt doing nothing. I have been working and running a very clean, honest business which has made MANY people happy. I am sorry that people in the past even had to 'fall in the cracks' but I'm willing to do whatever I can to make sure they get art in the end. I see no reason why the 'best outcome' you stated isn't possible, since I am 110% willing to make it happen. :)

I'll go ahead and draft up a post now :)
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oceandezignz
May. 30th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
I'mma just say no one is bashing you as a person. They are voicing their disappointment in your prior business practices that got you removed from FA, and the way you've initially conducted yourself in that feedback/testimonial post of yours in IB.

So throwing that line out really doesn't help you. Instead stick to what you've just said; give those who've stated they're waiting on ANYTHING from you your email and leave it at that.
kannoswd
May. 30th, 2013 07:50 pm (UTC)
Well, my experiences with people on this site have not been as you describe. I have had people do malicious things, call my phone, contact people I work with in real life that have nothing to do with the fandom, etc. So please understand that, just as you guys are cautious and have your reservations about me, I have the same reservations about you guys. I didn't name call or use foul language, but I do know that there are those here who are not being constructive, like the person who said I should 'remain in limbo'.

I'm still a human being with needs. It's not like I am trying to get back on FA to buy a 60" TV or something. I just want to be able to pay my bills on time. I will not share the bills uncensored here because I know how you guys are with that sort of information, but Dragoneer HAS seen the uncensored ones and can vouch that I do have financial hardships at the moment. So no, I don't deserve to live like this and struggle given that I have changed my ways and am willing to work with people.
kayla_la
May. 30th, 2013 07:52 pm (UTC)
There will be extremists in any group, unfortunately. That's not an AB specific thing. I can tell you we don't condone such a thing and we do our best to keep people from being entirely invasive, but at the end of the day, we can't control every single person.
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celestinaketzia
May. 30th, 2013 09:21 pm (UTC)
The person who said you should remain in limbo had to chase you down for over a year for a refund to his work. Surely you can understand where he is coming from, especially since he has been at the end of your old business practices and is justified in having bad memories.
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