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Advise really needed

For almost a year I have been waiting on a customer who owe me some money for 5 commissions. Over a week ago I found out through a friend that she had a new account. Notice a journal that says she have been sendt to hospital and as I was about to leave her a message wishing her best of luck but I get the message that I am blocked. It felt like being hit in the face. She have uploaded some of the commissions I did for her(even one she have yet to pay for), but without credits or link back to the original.

so I had to send a note to her friend who is also my friend to be able to contact her. Got a message back from our friend and he told me she couldn't use her paypal becouse her family wont let her. He offered to pay for her, I had so say no to that. The last note I got from her before she disappered it was her fiance had taken her money and was the reason she couldn't pay me right away back then. This was the note:

I replied I could wait, and I am still waiting.

Should I wait and see if she messages me before I post a beware on her?
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neolucky
May. 14th, 2013 04:11 am (UTC)
You should not have done the pictures without some form of payment first (or agreement), unfortunately this is the sort of situation that happens as a result.

You agreed to wait, so it wouldn't be fair to create an AB on her just yet. Give her a solid deadline to pay you by (A week, or two weeks) then wait and see if she manages to do so, if she does not? Then an AB would be applicable. Maybe even let her know you're considering submitting an AB on her if she keeps ignoring you.
calicofeathers
May. 14th, 2013 08:36 am (UTC)
I thought the general consensus was that using AB as a threat was a no-go?
neolucky
May. 14th, 2013 09:48 am (UTC)
It's not something we can control to be honest. We can't stop the posters from doing it, and in some circumstances it works and is absolutely fine. We just don't advocate it all the time because many folks don't care if they're posted here. (The kind of folks who are generally scummy and are repeat offenders)

But we have no rule against it. Should it be the final bargaining chip that gets someone in gear (Comm or Artist alike) then I have no personal issues with that - the only time I take up problem with it as a threat is when the OP claims they "won't make an AB" and then does so after the fact.
calicofeathers
May. 14th, 2013 09:52 am (UTC)
Oh I didn't mean as an actual rule, I just meant discouraged by the AB community. Obviously there's no way to stop anyone from doing it. XD Poor wording on my part, sorry.
neolucky
May. 14th, 2013 11:20 pm (UTC)
No problemo! I think the whole thing is sort of a grey area with the comm. Sometimes it's a useful tool to drop in a note to someone who owes art/money. Other times it's unnecessary and kinda rude. I think of it more case-by-case basis honestly.
spiffystuff
May. 14th, 2013 11:27 pm (UTC)
It's kind of damned if you damned if you don't.

If you don't "warn" someone of the steps you plan to take if they don't change their actions, the person may claim they had no idea someone would be so upset and/or wanted to make things right before their business was put on public display.

If you do say what you plan, some would call it threats or extortion :P

The main thing is to stick with your plan, ie, don't say you /won't/ post if they make it right and then go ahead and post anyway - if you want to make a post no matter what then the warning should be "I plan to make an AB post but if you make it right by ____ I will include that in the post"

Kinda like a paypal dispute, is how I think about it.
timelapsedecay
May. 14th, 2013 04:13 am (UTC)
It's been a YEAR... I would have made a beware by now!
(I don't mean to guilt you, I'm trying to say you are very very patient)

Since you agreed to wait you should wait, however I think set a deadline, and after it passes post them here anyway- even if they paid, I'd rather not do business with someone who'd make me wait a year for payment, and would like to know who to avoid!
mekania
May. 14th, 2013 05:32 am (UTC)
I disagree with the other commenters. You agreed to wait a year ago and then found out she's blocked you. I would definitely post her here and DMCA all the art she hasn't paid for.
vauvakolibri
May. 14th, 2013 07:22 am (UTC)
I assume you said you could wait as a reply to that May 2012 PM?
If yes, I also think that a year of waiting has been MORE than enough of waiting. Whether she pays back this year or not, someone not paying for a year and then blocking you while posting the art without credit is enough grounds for me to post a Beware without waiting if she messages back or not.
conigliomannaro
May. 14th, 2013 07:45 am (UTC)
^this.
norsepaw
May. 14th, 2013 09:56 am (UTC)
I have noted to her through our friend(again). Right now i hope to hear from her and resolve everything without having to post her here.
vauvakolibri
May. 14th, 2013 10:32 am (UTC)
Do you have knowledge if she has been commissioning art recently (posts in her gallery or faves)?
Mainly because if she has (which would mean her excuse is just that or she uses someone else to pay for her stuff) then I'd personally wish to know who the person is.

Edited at 2013-05-14 10:32 am (UTC)
norsepaw
May. 14th, 2013 11:17 am (UTC)
Not that I have seen. I have only seen her "son" commission stuff starring her and him. To me it seems like its her "son" who have recently bought stuff for her.

-Edited for spelling errors-

Edited at 2013-05-14 01:11 pm (UTC)
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norsepaw
May. 14th, 2013 05:03 pm (UTC)
You are right on track on who it is. I kind of hope its "get better" gifts he gives and she is not using him.

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Also your art is adorable.
kayla_la
May. 14th, 2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
If you want to vaguely discuss who it is, please take it to PMs instead of leaving clues here. If the OP wishes to make a proper beware post with the name, you can add your experiences there.
celestinaketzia
May. 14th, 2013 10:32 am (UTC)
Good! Because the moment you found yourself blocked is the moment she's made it clear that she has zero intention to pay you, and people need to know about that kind of behavior.
eenyuwolf
May. 14th, 2013 06:26 pm (UTC)
Have you asked them to remove the unpaid commission from their gallery? Or perhaps report it and ask a mod to remove it? Even just leaving a comment on the submission that it is an unpaid work might be enough to motivate them to pay you.
norsepaw
May. 14th, 2013 06:45 pm (UTC)
I am blocked and if I am not able to contact either her or my friend I might try to get in contact with a mod.
norsepaw
May. 15th, 2013 07:27 am (UTC)
My friend seems to be offline since he haven't answered my note, strange since we both have the same timezone and country but I can only guess he is busy or tired of being the middle man between me and her.

ranlur
May. 16th, 2013 04:02 am (UTC)
I'd say the (unwarranted?) block is enough to post a beware. That seems to be a sign that she has no intention of ever paying you.

norsepaw
May. 17th, 2013 07:49 am (UTC)
But dont I need to warn her that I am putting her on AB?
kerstin_orion
May. 17th, 2013 12:03 pm (UTC)
Notifying the person you are putting them on A_B is not a requirement. We mods recommend it in a few circumstances, but it is not required.
thaily
May. 17th, 2013 12:22 pm (UTC)
Nope.
mortymaxwell
May. 17th, 2013 11:11 am (UTC)
If it was me, in your situation... I would send the customer an invoice through Paypal. Then, if no response to the invoice, I'd think about escalating things.

I hope that you are able to get this resolved.
norsepaw
May. 20th, 2013 07:55 am (UTC)
No answer from her and my friend says he have a hard time getting in contact with her too. I think I will just start taking screenshots of all the notes and all. She really dont seem to care.

norsepaw
May. 21st, 2013 09:20 am (UTC)
My friend got answer from her and this was the message from her; "Well tell her to do whatever I don't care cause I don't have a Paypal and my parents won't let me make another one, I couldn't pay her cause my parents shut down my Paypal before I could pay her and I never posted or use her commissions I didn't pay for on my new account."

I have posted my beware and waiting for it to be approved. Also she have actually uploaded some of the unpaid pieces to her new account so she lied on that.
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