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BEWARE - Zorax89

WHO: Zorax89, frostybiggens

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zorax89/ , http://frostybiggens.deviantart.com/

WHAT: Icon Commission

WHEN: December 18th and February 23rd

PROOF: 1st case in December, final note containing whole conversion. His replies are red boxed since Fa's quote system doesn't work.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89ab.png

Sudden notes that I received February 23rd.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA1.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA2.png

Proof they are indeed the same person since his fa and da do not link to each other, not does his da have any of his art.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA3.png


EXPLAIN: 1st I’ll say, in the da notes, the quote he’s taking from me is from here - http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3993478/, a rant journal i posted months after the ordeal with him edit: Journal was deleted but screencap is here -https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/rantjournal.png , also the date was a month before he commissioned me, i saw the date wrong , and that had nothing to do with him. I had seen my friends being bothered about postings journals, been bothered on DA with a crit on a work I didn't ask for crits on (i was already in a bad mood and it was just plain rude) who I flagged as spam and don’t even remember their name, and various other drama things that had bothered me that day.

In my rules that are directly located in my commissions journal, I have it where I do not accept as refs or draw any mature art. That’s just how it is, and I’ve yet to have any issues with commissioners finding a clean ref or censoring them enough for me to use. I do not turn off the mature block so even if they try, I can't see it. I know other artists who also don’t do mature art and prefer nonmature refs. I make a very GOOD living just drawing as I’m comfortable. After the banter in the fa note, I ended up blocking him and leaving it at that. I didn’t post anything about it, I whined a bit to a friend, but what was about it. I moved on, whatever. Not every customer is the greatest.

Then on February 23rd, I saw I had received a note on my DA from someone i didn't recognize. they didn't say who they were, even after i said i didn’t know who they were, and you can see the conversion. I got very aggravated as you can tell at the sudden assault from some unknown person who apparently had a grudge against me. at this point, I remembered, I’ve only ever blocked ONE person on FA. that was zorax89 in order to end the conversion and prevent them from future messages. I checked their DA only to see no useful info what so ever, and none on his FA that linked back to the DA. then i decided to try my luck with the journals, and if there was nothing, I’d just leave it be as some random persons rant. unfortunately, I found the above journals posting of his birthday, both on the same day. they were indeed the same person, attacking me months afterward.

This is NOT a commissioner you want, and I’m glad I didn’t take his second commission. And I will not let it simply end with him attacking me and walking away. I've also recieved word that this isn't the 1st case of him harassing artists, and will update this post as screencaps and information come to me.


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sacch
Mar. 9th, 2013 10:37 pm (UTC)
The beware against this commissioner is well-warranted.

However, there's something that really bugs me about your exchange.

You remained professional up until he told you "it's a furry porn site." Your response with capslock letters to emphasize points and the way you worded some things made you come off like you have an attitude. There are much better ways you could have worded your reasoning. You come off as aggressive from what I've read, and that's not a good thing when it comes to potential clients.

Now, I don't want to be that guy, but some of your responses are... really not called for. Once he started insulting you, you should have blocked him, reported him, and left it at that. Not fuel the fire by responding and sinking to his level. Yes, he was rude to you- but don't be rude back. Be the better person and keep a cool head at all times. It will save you some headache and potential backlash.

I don't think you're a bad artist. I'm not upset at you at all. I'm just offering my two cents and advice, and offending you isn't my intention.
timelapsedecay
Mar. 9th, 2013 10:39 pm (UTC)
This is what I wanted to say too.
The client clearly did not read the rules, which are sensible rules, so he's in the wrong for that, but I don't think having an exchange like that was very professional. I would have blocked much sooner :T
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kayla_la
Mar. 9th, 2013 10:49 pm (UTC)
We're not allowed to sell on FA if we aren't willing to draw porn? Guess I better go somewhere else then...
jijix
Mar. 9th, 2013 10:53 pm (UTC)
I have to say that whilst I appreciate your standpoint on not wanting to change your content filter to accommodate a customer's ref, I feel some of your comments were very unprofessional.

If ever you come under this situation again, instead of accusing a person of not reading your rules (even if that is blatantly true) you could simply explain things politely, and if the customer becomes belligerent refuse the commission. Block if necessary. You could even make a simple cut-and-paste form type response for this.

"I'm sorry, but the reference you have linked me is marked as mature/contains nudity. Because my workstation is not a private environment I prefer not to view such material. I would ask you to please censor your reference appropriately or link me an alternate reference that is G rated. I cannot proceed with the commission until this is done. I apologise for any inconvenience and sincerely thank you for your co-operation."

Commissions are a business, so talk like one. People will appreciate it. :3
tealmoonxiv
Mar. 9th, 2013 11:05 pm (UTC)
I guess I'm not allowed to use FA then.

What a terrible attitude.
timelapsedecay
Mar. 9th, 2013 11:18 pm (UTC)
The rant journal located here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3993478/
Really reveals a lot about you as a professional. While I can see what you're saying there and even agree with some, Such rant journals look extremely unprofessional and intimidating to potential clients. Something like this would definitely be suited to a personal account or something rather than the account you are doing business on.
If I were just checking your page looking for a commission, completely unbiased, and found that journal, I'd head for the hills.
arcticious
Mar. 10th, 2013 12:13 am (UTC)
Oh wow... That's certainly something. I must agree, it's intimidating.
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purpule
Mar. 10th, 2013 12:26 am (UTC)
I do think that they were being ridiculous with their "well, you should have to expect to see/draw porn on this site" because no actually, a person who draws clean art DOESN'T need to be subjected to dog wang just to draw an icon, and the idea that you should be okay with it is ludicrous.

However, I will say that you do come across as a bit abrasive in your journals/notes at times, which could escalate the rudeness of people who are already getting their back up.

You don't deserve people being rude to you by any means, but toning down the rage a bit does more for you than anything - because you'll retain the air of professionalism and they'll just look like a douche! It's all about conflict management, quenching the fire before it explodes - and the way you react to a conflict can sometimes mean the difference between someone being a dick and badmouthing you everywhere and someone just going "oh well, okay, thanks for your time". Of course, you can be the nicest person on the planet and people will STILL treat you with disrespect and claim that you were a bitch to them, but those people will be shown up for who they really are.
tartii
Mar. 10th, 2013 12:33 am (UTC)
Beware well warranted.
While your attitude was off putting, and should have been handled better, I can understand your irritation.
Judging by how quick you were to aggression, I am assuming you have had the 'if you can't handle porn get off fa' snark thrown at you often? Best thing to do is just block the person right off the bat, they really aren't worth your time.

Being an emotional person myself, I completely understand where you are coming from. But be careful, and remember that because you do business on that account, everything you do reflects upon you professionally. It sucks, but its the baggage that comes with being an online artist.
marus_puppy
Mar. 10th, 2013 01:12 am (UTC)
Agreeing with your last comment. I'm very emotional too and it leads me to be extremely irrational when my temper flares, so I'm learning to simply walk away from the keyboard until I'm calm enough to write a proper response. If an email/PM is important enough, I will sometimes write something quick back like "I will give you a proper response shortly, I apologize for the inconvenience" and then wait until I've calmed to write out what I want to say.
toscaterrier
Mar. 10th, 2013 01:13 am (UTC)
While his nasty attitude (in the dA notes especially) makes this a valid beware, your aggressive tone in your replies to him and your journals is extremely off-putting. If you must rant and let off steam, do it on a personal account instead of one that you conduct business on. I do the same thing; god knows I'm plenty aggressive, but you need to keep it off of a commission account.

Frankly, by the rant journal posted above, I wouldn't work with either you or the commissioner. :| Your customers don't want to know how much you rage at other people.
latiro
Mar. 10th, 2013 02:14 am (UTC)
beware very well-warranted, but I'll have to agree with the others that your replies to the commissioner and the rant journal were pretty off-putting. If you feel like you need to rant, don't post it in an account that you conduct business on, there's a chance that some potential commissioners would stay away from you after reading some rant journals

(off-topic, but I still love that love-love icon you did for me a long time ago)

Edited at 2013-03-11 12:32 am (UTC)
ladysnakebite
Mar. 10th, 2013 09:04 am (UTC)
Wow. As far as I can see, both the OP's and the commissioner's attitudes need some serious adjusting.

OP, if I had seen that journal as a potential client, I would have not just not commissioned you, I would have unwatched you immediately. Both it and the aggressive response you gave your prospective client on FA come off as exceptionally immature, and the victim-blaming and shaming in the journal are just unacceptable, IMO.

Next time you feel the need to reply to someone angrily or want to rant to get something off your chest, try typing it all out in Notepad, then deleting it and writing a level-headed draft instead. If you absolutely NEED to rant and post, that's what LiveJournal (and friends-locking) is for.

In the commission business people build their impression of you by the content of your account, and that includes journals. It's very important to be careful what you present publicly because that is what builds your reputation, and this stuff doesn't reflect well on you at all.

Edited at 2013-03-10 09:04 am (UTC)
mortymaxwell
Mar. 10th, 2013 10:49 am (UTC)
The commissioner was out of line, but you come across as belligerent, immature and someone who responds in the heat of emotion. Your use of the f-bomb and the shaming in your rant journal turns me off, and I didn't like the language you used in your notes to the commissioner.

I would think about how you come across online, not just in that rant journal and in your replies to the commissioner, but well in general.

Like with your TOS. I looked at your commissions journal to see how you spelled out your policy to clients about mature art/refs, and the language in there was off-putting to me too.

"I DO NOT GIVE REFUNDS, UNLESS - I feel the art i produced isnt worth what the artist paid for or i get so sick of you i deside drawing for you just isnt worth the money."

That last part sounds so condescending, I'd choose not to do business with you just for that part.

Edited at 2013-03-10 10:56 am (UTC)
sacch
Mar. 10th, 2013 01:53 pm (UTC)
Yikes, that last part... I agree with you, that's just. Wow.
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sapphistscot
Mar. 10th, 2013 12:51 pm (UTC)
Yikes. Looking at the rants on both sides, I'd never do business with either the OP or the commissioner.
starinthegutter
Mar. 10th, 2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
What everyone has said above. The beware is warranted, but your attitude towards the client wasn't professional either. Take this as a lesson learned and perhaps change the way you approach potential business in the future. It's not good to take the 'bait' that people throw at you. When they're being smart-asses, better to leave well enough alone, block them, whatever you need to do, just ignore them. Don't give them reason to target you. If they know what presses your buttons, they see you as easy prey if you publicize how much it irks you.
ibagface
Mar. 11th, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
Beware well warranted. Reading your own replies though its obvious that you reply emotionally to what people say to you. Remember, its the internet and people can be insulting and rude. Dont take it as a personal attack. If someone is rude in a note like that, step back from the computer and calm down before replying. Dont reply when your angry, you will regret it (like im sure you are now). Get away from the computer, take a deep breath and do something else for half an hour. Come back and reply to it with a clear head and no emotional attachment. That way its direct and to the point and you wont end up having an insult war.
sintocat
Mar. 11th, 2013 01:12 am (UTC)
Wow, I actually think this is an equal beware on both sides. Both immature and I wouldn't work with either of them.
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