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http://bobszy.deviantart.com/ (deactivated, has been for some time)
WHERE: DeviantART
WHAT: Digital Sketch
WHEN: Late September and Early November
PROOF: 
Inital journal seeking artist and my comments (capped in case of deletion):
First note about another artist coloring it and my response, read from bottom to top:
Colored image:
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My response via note, read from bottom to top:
My TOS:
Journal of Mylafox, the coloring artist:
EXPLAIN: Bobzy posted a journal looking for an artist to commission for Sonic fanart.  I had done art for him before and so I commented on it saying I could do it. As I hadn't done Sonic art before, he only ordered a sketch. Everything with the transaction went fine. He paid and I provided the sketch, which he liked. Up to this point, the transaction was done. On Nov 4th, he contacted me about having another artist color the sketch. I admit, I misread the note and thought he was asking permission to do this. I replied that I did not want him to pay another artist to color my work, but if no money exchanged hands, it was ok. I did not recieve a message back. 

On Nov 8th, I see the colored image in his gallery. Upon inspection, I realize it was a color commission and I questioned him about it via note. The links to my TOS he and I both posted are the old and new versions. They are the same on both, but after doing his commission, I decided to try and focus on the one style more than the other, and the 'newer' one is what is posted on my front page. Before, it was the older one that was posted. These rules have not changed. After stating I was posting here, I blocked him from contacting me.
He emailed me via my private email and offered to pay "some cash to compensate for the mishap." I declined, as I felt his attitude was condescending and asked that he do not contact me again. 
I had no intention of posting Mylafox here as Bobzy could have told her it was fine to color the image. At the time, I felt she was just caught in the middle and I had no hard feelings toward her. However, the call out in her journal changed my mind. I have not had any contact with her at all.
I reported the colored image he had in his gallery and the call out journal as well. I just haven't heard anything back from dA about them, although the image is blanked out with, "deviation pending request form."

Edit: Heard back from dA about the journal: "I have reviewed this situation and I can see that it involves personal journal entries and overall does not appear to be anything which requires administrative attention. The small portion about you is not openly encouraging harassment or directing their friends/watchers to your page for abuse. It's understandably bothersome, as it is a negative opinion of yourself, but it isn't severe enough for intervention.

We will not be taking action here because journal entries are considered to be "personal space" and are therefore allowed the widest possible range of subjects and the most leniency so our staff will only intervene in a very limited set of circumstances which involve only the most severe situations and this particular journal entry simply does not qualify."

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sigilgoat
Dec. 7th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Your post has been approved, but under Mylafox's journal caps, only cap 4 is really necessary. If you could either highlight that one in some way, or delete the others that would be very helpful. Thank you!
crazeetyger
Dec. 7th, 2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Deleted but the LJ cut doesn't seem to be working. I'm not sure how to fix it.
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quescostumes
Dec. 7th, 2012 12:45 am (UTC)
Your sketch looks fairly clean to me, considering it's a sketch. I don't consider myself a 2d artist but I can see details pretty clear.

Anyway, out of curiosity, had you contacted Mylafox yourself about the issue, or was her journal shout out due to something Bobzy said?
crazeetyger
Dec. 7th, 2012 12:53 am (UTC)
I have not had any contact with Mylafox at all. I reported the colored image Bobzy had uploaded and he either told her or she saw it was gone and asked about it.
ellonwye
Dec. 7th, 2012 01:28 am (UTC)
I'm rolling my eyes so hard at Mylafox's journal. Your sketch too messy to post? (it isn't) Shouldn't be graced with her time and talent? Calling you out to carry yourself more professionally? Oh please.
thistlewolf
Dec. 7th, 2012 02:02 am (UTC)
Same.

The "jealous" bit had me making the B| face in RL. If that's her definition of "professional," no thanks.
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dragontripmon
Dec. 7th, 2012 01:33 am (UTC)
Do you have a larger screenshot of the call out journal considering i could barely read it due to photobucket habit of resizing screencaps.

Though what bothers me is this colorist is also a sonic fan considering the fanbase history looking at her profile.
crazeetyger
Dec. 7th, 2012 01:58 am (UTC)
My bad, I thought I posted the link to her journal as well.

http://mylafox.deviantart.com/journal/Color-Commissions-are-CLOSED-323810664
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cyiakanami
Dec. 7th, 2012 01:41 am (UTC)
The condescending "art god-like" tone from this artist about made me sick. How egotistical does one have to be to post something like that? Might as well of read,"I poop gold too"

And the commissioner needs to frequent himself with laws. Digital art files are not treated like a bagel you buy at a store. In fact it's quite the opposite.

Thank goodness I don't do business on DA, but both of their names are marked for my records. Bad pose on both of them. Sorry you went through that OP and I hope DA gets back to you soon.

*edited for grammar*

Edited at 2012-12-07 01:43 am (UTC)
ritsukaao
Dec. 7th, 2012 02:19 am (UTC)
That is highly unprofessional of the artist. I'm also bothered by the la-di-da manner of the commissioner. Just all around distasteful. I don't have a DA and I'm not an artist but I'll do my best to avoid them

Edited at 2012-12-07 07:53 pm (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Dec. 7th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
Is this part of Mylafox's ToS new?

If you requested or commissioned another artist to draw something for you, and have their explicit permission to have it colored, then I will accept the work.

If not, she went against her own ToS and is now acting indignant about it. Thank goodness I don't do business on DA.
crazeetyger
Dec. 7th, 2012 02:32 am (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure.
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mekania
Dec. 7th, 2012 07:07 am (UTC)
Wow. I like how this professional artist is calling out someone's behavior in her commission journal. I think that's even worse than just a random journal commenting on the situation since a commission journal is purely a business space.


However, I do think you made a mistake here with that "I can't stop you" response. You should have just flat out said that commissioning other artists for colored work is against your TOS and is not allowed instead of just saying it makes you uncomfortable.

Edit: Though I want to make it clear that I don't think you wording it that way gave him the right to go over your head.

Edited at 2012-12-07 07:13 am (UTC)
crazeetyger
Dec. 7th, 2012 07:32 am (UTC)
No, you're right. It also didn't help that I misunderstood the note from the get go. I honestly thought he was asking permission, not telling me he was already having it done. Learning experience and all that. I'm just a door mat. I have a hard time being forceful or being TOO forceful.
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pinstripedtiger
Dec. 7th, 2012 10:10 am (UTC)
"You have to carry yourself as a professional" she says while spewing the snobbiest, most conceited mess I've ever seen and makes an extended effort to put down someone she's never spoken to.

Gooood Lord.
galagya
Dec. 10th, 2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
yeah I was just thinking, actually, that it's especially bad since she is going completely off of hear-say, you know? seems pretty intense. man.
thaily
Dec. 7th, 2012 10:47 am (UTC)
"Frankly, his work shouldn't be graced with my time and talent."

*snerrrrrrkpffbwuahahahahahahahaa and other sounds of hysterical laughter*
Unwarranted ego much? ;D
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corablorthog
Dec. 8th, 2012 09:41 pm (UTC)
The situation was handled rather poorly by the commissioner and the other artist.

MylaFox's journal entry has been edited. OP, IMO, you are not obligated to contact MylaFox.
celestinaketzia
Dec. 9th, 2012 03:12 am (UTC)
Wow, her edit isn't any better than the first one.
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aerospiritual
Dec. 9th, 2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
This one time, I colored someone's art for a friend. Turned out that the artist didn't actually want it colored and said friend wasn't exactly honest about having permission.

So I apologized to the original artist, removed the offending image, and that was that.


Can someone please explain to me how taking simple accountability for your actions is such an incredibly difficult thing to undertake and portraying yourself in a less than professional manner towards your clients is a better course of action?
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