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Buyer Beware: Thera

I originally came here seeking advice on the situation, which can be seen here, but it was suggested that I still make the beware because of said person's behavior.

This is my first actual beware post, so I apologize if it's done incorrectly.


WHO: Thera


WHERE: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/thera/ Though everything happened here on this journal.


WHAT: One digital sketch.
Here's screen shots of our initial conversation when she first ordered the sketch. Though everything can still be read in the journal I linked above.
This is the finished commission.


WHEN: November 6th, 2012 until now.


PROOF: This is the paypal screenshot showing when she initially sent the eheck. 
This is the screenshot showing that the echeck failed to send.

I sent her a note about the failed echeck asking if she could send it again or perhaps have someone else do it for her.
She did reply to my note, which can be seen here, but she also commented on the original commission journal where the transaction took place. All of it can still be read in the journal linked above, but here are screenshots anyways.


EXPLAIN: I hope it's alright if I just copy/paste from my advice journal, if not I can edit it.

On November 6th, 2012 I opened for $5 sketch commissions and Thera wanted a slot. So we work out all the details, got everything settled and agreed upon. There was a slight bit of confusion on what she wanted at first, but we got that all worked out with no problems. She sent the payment, it was an echeck, and I started her commission. I finished it the next day and she was very happy with it. She even colored it and did a wonderful job at doing so. Now I've /never/ had any problems with echecks clearing so I really didn't think I'd have a problem this time. So like I stated, I did her sketch and finished it the next day. Now on the 14th, of this month, I got an email saying that the echeck failed. I sent a note to Thera asking if she could send it again or maybe have someone else send it for her. She replied saying she wasn't sure why it failed, but this was the second time it happened. She also told me that she wasn't sure why it failed because she had enough to send it, but paypal wouldn't let her send it until she added more money. So she asked me if there was anything else she could give me in exchange and I said no. With pretty large medical/dental debt over my head I really need every penny.

A little while later she replied saying that she tried to send it again, got charged a fee, lost $70, and told me to please let her sort out her "financial bullsh*t". She said that this wasn't her fault because she didn't know this would happen. Which I got kind of confused by because she said this wasn't the first time this had happened, but okay, I understand that things happen sometimes. So the next reply I got from her is a story explaining about the last time it happened and her current family/money issues.

I proceeded to reply with how I was sorry that her life was falling apart, but it wasn't really fair to me nor did it really concern me because I did the work they paid for, but in the end I didn't get paid. And that maybe she shouldn't commission people if her life is falling apart and she doesn't have money to spend.

Honestly at this point I'm trying to be understanding, but it's kind of hard because she's dumping all her life problems on me and they don't concern me. I don't even know her on a personal level. The first time I talked to her was when this transaction started and I haven't contacted her or talked to her up until now. Now from this point on she starts getting kind of nasty with me. She's getting angry/frustrated and keeps using vulgar language towards me when I've been trying to be as calm as possible. Maybe I came off as cold hearted or something, I'm not sure. I mean I do feel bad for her, because honestly it sucks when crap goes down hill, I know, but I've always heard that business transactions should be kept as such.

None the less, she tells me that all of this has happened in two days. So I go on to tell her again that I am sorry that her life is falling apart, but it doesn't concern me and she really has no reason to be so angry at me. She says she's not angry at me, that she's just upset in general, which is understandable, but really she shouldn't be taking it out on me. She should calm down and think about it before taking frustrations out on someone else. She has yet to respond to my last comment though.


I was originally just going to accept the loss and just take it as a lessoned learned, but she says she still intends to pay me. She said I'd have my money in three days, but we'll see. I won't hold my breathe or anything though.



I hope that's okay, I'm not very good at explaining things. D:
I can edit anything as necessary.

EDIT as of November 21th, 2012: I received a payment from taasla paying in place of Thera. I really appreciate it, so thank you again!
I guess this can be marked as resolved then.
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amocin
Nov. 18th, 2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
Dear god... Thank you for posting this, just seeing her rant is enough to turn a person away. You kept yourself very calm and collected even though, as you even mentioned, her personal life had nothing to do with your transaction. TMI on her part. Beware well warranted.


Also, I hope I am not the only one, but I got the strangest feeling while reading her rant that she may have been trying to pull a pity card so you can tell her not to worry about paying you.
celestinaketzia
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
That's the same vibe I got. =\
celestinaketzia
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
Nope. Not dealing with them. Thank you for posting this so I can block them. I fail to see how it's your fault or why you should care if someone managed to overdraft their bank account due to their own poor spending.

My favorite part is where she tells you not to take it personally. Um, you're the one they owe money to, I am not sure how you're not supposed to take it personally??
cyiakanami
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
Vile behavior to say the very least and thank you for the beware!
If you don't get that payment, I'd send a request to the FA admins to have them take down the picture on her main ID.. since she hadn't paid for it.


cyiakanami
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Also.. did you allow her to color it? It looks like she's edited the image at least twice now and I'm not sure if you gave her permission to do that.
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mrst4nkr
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
Oh. Um.

<_<; Hm. That makes me feel awkward as an onlooker. I would feel way more awkward and likely annoyed if I were you. You handled that better than I would have. I'm fairly sure.
sapphistscot
Nov. 18th, 2012 10:53 pm (UTC)
I don't know exactly how the echeck system works, but if it says that the payment is cancelled, wouldn't that suggest that the sender had cancelled it rather than it being rejected or failing to go through? I'd have thought it would say 'rejected' or 'bounced' if there was a problem with the cheque itself.
tartii
Nov. 18th, 2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
Exactly what I am thinking. I would think paypal would say it had failed, not that it was canceled. Canceled indicates she withdrew it.
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shukivengeance
Nov. 18th, 2012 11:28 pm (UTC)
All I can say is wow. Life issues happen and I can't fault her for that, however none of these personal crises she had are your fault so it didn't need to be made into your business. If finances are so screwy then don't waste your cash on luxuries, bottom line.

I'm a bit baffled by the fact that she took such an awful attitude with you, you definitely came off as being very reasonable over the whole thing while she pitched a fit at you over things that weren't your problem.
tyrano_tiggs
Nov. 19th, 2012 01:43 am (UTC)
I'm a tad confused...one day her parents are wiring her money to squander at the mall and the next they have to file bankruptcy over a $400 charge? Obligatory "well that escalated quickly" macro needs inserting somewhere in this post
Green Fawks
Nov. 19th, 2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
Her parents have been in financial difficulties for years, but we had no idea that when her mom went to cash her cheque the bank would eat it whole. it wasn't even OUR bank. It was a total mixup that cost my girlfriend $400, has plagued this entire month for us, lost her friends and credibility over this issue. Nobody here has even an inkling of sympathy. I understand that art commissions are a cutthroat business rife with fraud, but I have already assured this person they will be paid in full, even twice as much as the original 5$ for her inconvenience. Be glad this isn't an actual theft case, not that she will ever regain her credibility after this.
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cyiakanami
Nov. 19th, 2012 02:47 am (UTC)
anyone grab screen shots of the journal before all the comments were hidden?
sigilgoat
Nov. 19th, 2012 02:48 am (UTC)
They are linked in the post.
phoenixsrequiem
Nov. 19th, 2012 04:00 am (UTC)
As far as I understand, the only way an e-check fails is if there is insufficient funds. Insufficient funds would explain the $70 dollar charge from the bank, but in NO WAY is that YOUR issue.
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onesteptwo
Nov. 19th, 2012 04:32 am (UTC)
If you go to her userpage, she has a flip out at the top of her profile about how you're going to get your money. :/ That's mature.
cyiakanami
Nov. 19th, 2012 06:40 am (UTC)
You happen to screen shot it? Her profile is all blank now except her commissions and faves and one wall post x.x
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purpule
Nov. 19th, 2012 10:09 am (UTC)
I call utter bullshit. The check was clearly cancelled on her end, and the angry "my life is over" antics are a way to get you to back down.

Green Fawks
Nov. 19th, 2012 05:22 pm (UTC)
You are wrong. By the way, if I was going to rip people off in the furry fandom (as it is extremely easy to do) I wouldn't do it with $5 worth of art at a time. This is a perfect storm of shit that means this person will likely have to wait for their payment. But I guarantee she gets it. Don't you think that if she had a history of ripping people off you would have hear it before? She has a long history of being a user of FA and doing and buying commissions without an issue. Things just went sour this time.
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wolf_goat
Nov. 19th, 2012 10:12 am (UTC)
I'm sorry but I'm getting a shitthatdidnthappen.txt vibe from her bankruptcy sob story. Along with the "cancelled" rather than "failed" payment and the fact she's still editing the art anyway, and is completely unapologetic and unembarassed (as most people would be)...this stinks.

:V - Hey honey have some $$$ to spend at the mall!
:C - I am a bad manager of money who kept getting overdrawn so the bank took all of my mall moneys mom and dad
:V - That's okay honey because we're bad money managers too and just realised we need to file for bankruptcy tomorrow and will lose our home. Never saw that coming!
Green Fawks
Nov. 19th, 2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
It's still hilarious/sad to me that people will gang up and nobody has issued a single "Well, wait and see what happens" to this person. She doesn't live with her mother, she's lived with me on her own for a year. How will you all feel when I pay her? Her story is true, but also much too long to explain in one of these posts. The fact is that mass amounts of money were taken from her (an entire paycheck) when her mother cashed it for her bank, and collections agencies that have nothing to do with us took her money. She had every intention of paying her, and now she is losing artist credibility, friends and participation in the fandom she loves because people think this is somehow her fault.
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starinthegutter
Nov. 19th, 2012 01:24 pm (UTC)
"Yesterday I asked my mom to etransfer me 70$ to my bank account so I would have spending money at the mall"

Wow, life is hard!

It kinda takes time to fall into so much financial disarray- enough to file for bankruptcy that is... not just a span of two days- I'm pretty sure if her sob story was actually true, her mom wouldn't have had $70 to front her to spend it at a MALL, of all places. Come on.

Thanks for the beware, well warranted and I will not be doing business with this person.

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theblackdragon
Nov. 19th, 2012 05:54 pm (UTC)
i like how 'green fawks' goes back and forth between pronoun sets.
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