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So, a few of you may have noticed my debacle with Gideon Hoss, concerning a comission that is now well over a year and a half overdue and not even started. I have given him multiple chances, recieved multiple promises, and in the last few weeks had some good communication and had a plan to solve this, but life intervening on his end.

And then, silence. Nothing on Aim, nothing on FA, nada.

Should I pursue getting this art done, abandon it and consider this a lesson hard learned, or be a dick and try to find the transaction on paypal and dispute it, freezing his account until it gets done?

I've been more than patient, this is to the point where I'm being jerked around, but the nice guy side of me is screwing with my judgement. Wat do, AB?

edited due to spelling errors upsetting my OCD.
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May. 12th, 2012 03:46 am (UTC)
Well, unfortunately, there's not much you can do when it comes to Paypal. They only have a 45 day limit on disputing things, and after that, you're pretty much SOL. The only thing you can do is contact them and let them know that this person is taking money and never delivering, but there's no telling if they'll just cite the 45 day limit and send you on your way.

I think most banks also have a 1 year period to dispute things, too, so you also may be out of luck on that front. That's if you even used your bank for the transaction.
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May. 12th, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)
That was more of an issue with one artist that already had prior marks against them if I recall correctly. Paypal has stated to me that they do not mind adult commissions, but it is the selling of adult material (DVDs and such) that make it a no-no.

Edited for using "well," again in a second comment, haha.

Of course, you're still more than welcomed to try and call them. I stress calling them, because Paypal seems to be tons more helpful when you have them on the phone.

Edited at 2012-05-12 03:58 am (UTC)
May. 12th, 2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
Since Taasla thinks it wouldn't matter, I say dispute it, call Paypal and tell them it was for furry porn service that he hasn't provided, and see if his account gets frozen or not.

He's not providing art to people he's owed, so he shouldn't be taking more payments anyways.
May. 12th, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't try to ruin their PayPal account; then they wouldn't be able to refund people in the unlikely event the artist might actually decide to do so.
May. 12th, 2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
I think you can still refund people with your account frozen, or at least Regretsy's account could. :P
May. 12th, 2012 03:59 am (UTC)
For a guy who is very quick to run to his LJ posts when a beware's made about him, he doesn't follow through to get stuff done does he? Kudos for the former, but man... the later needs so much work its not funny.

I would not recommend jeopardizing his PP account over this. It wouldn't endear him to getting off his duff any faster in that regard and the satisfaction of it, if successful will be shallow at best.

Give him a solid 'do not pass go do not pass $200' deadline. If he fails to get you your product, you could inform the convention he was at about it and pray they'll acknowledge it and take record, if he dodges enough work from this con he just might get the boot.
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May. 12th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Oh so does he want to go out like Starfinder? Cripes.

Bad all around Gideon. Bad all around, to take advantage of someone's kindness. Perhaps you should just send him a message saying you don't want the art, you want your money back. Even if you got the art, I have a feeling you'd have this :| reaction to it, y'know?

Or then as a last possible... regrettable... suggestion... would be to toss your hands up and say 'f*** it'. And never ever suggest anyone get a piece from him ever as the struggle isn't worth it.
May. 12th, 2012 06:47 am (UTC)
I don't know if that last part will do any good.
Conventions usually have a rule that you have to be breaking a rule then (which I guess would include any complaints), or having to do something pretty wicked to get a preemptive boot before the next one.

If this transaction took place there, I'd think it may fall under a *we're sorry it happened, but it is not exactly breaking a con rule* area. I'd think that it'd take multiple people to report them, and then the greatest consequence I'd think they would face is a revocation of any attempt to set up a table there.
May. 12th, 2012 07:02 am (UTC)
If other people have reported him, however, this could be the final straw sort of situation.

It's always worth reporting!
May. 12th, 2012 05:01 pm (UTC)
Your last sentence is the boot I was refering to. He doesn't need to be working the con circuit if he can't handle the flow of work that comes from one.
May. 12th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
I'm not sure which I find more disturbing - the number of 'beware' posts about him or that none of them have been resolved. It's a shame, too, because he's quite a good artist; I do love looking at his stuff on his FA gallery.
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May. 12th, 2012 05:57 am (UTC)
Easily solved. Comments shall now ninja-vanish to avoid 'OT'.

But my suggestion's still valid!
May. 12th, 2012 05:58 am (UTC)
Thanks for that XD
May. 13th, 2012 12:41 am (UTC)
What I would probably do would be to say "Look, I'm sick of waiting and I'm sick of the dead silence on your end and I want my refund by _____. This is firm and I will explore my legal options after that point." while talking to Paypal/your bank/a lawyer? I forget how much you spent on your commission, but I imagine it's quite a hefty amount and not something you want to just let go of.
May. 13th, 2012 03:39 am (UTC)
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Uh... Person? Why are you using my picture for your icon? That picture was taken of me like 6+ years ago when I still lived in Washington D.C. Where did you even find it?

Please stop using my photos to represent yourself. Thank you.
May. 13th, 2012 05:12 am (UTC)
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May. 13th, 2012 05:36 am (UTC)
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It's apparently their Google+ profile picture, which makes it even more awkward.
May. 13th, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
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Yeah... I haven't used LJ in years but an artist friend showed me here saying someone was posting using my old Ryuichi photo. I only have that on one of my old photobuckets unless I linked to it somewhere as a stupid kid. Very weird to randomly see your image being used by someone (who ironically is posting to what seems like an anti-fraud community?)
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May. 14th, 2012 12:05 am (UTC)
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Oh no the awkwardness I was referring to was using someone else's image on a social media site.
May. 13th, 2012 04:36 pm (UTC)
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wow creepy
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May. 14th, 2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
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I got an idea how to least get this on track. I can use Livestream with you and do it with you watching and prolly get it done in an afternoon. Dun make up for my lack of communication or time left languishing not done...but least I can work with you on it and I hope get you something you really dig.
May. 26th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
I think you should ask for a refund if you are this frustrated. In the end, if the artist doesn't want to do the work you can't really force them. And even if you could, is it really worth the aggravation and conflict? Better to to get it refunded and move on.
Jun. 4th, 2012 03:49 am (UTC)
I had a similar problem with Gideon over the past two years. I eventually go to the point where he finally sent me a refund after dozens of emails, FA notes, and etc back and forth. Don't give up on this. Also, contacting con staff of cons he plans to attend and Paypal can't hurt. I wish I had thought of doing that to avoid all the grief I went through.
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