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Hi there A_B, it has been a while since I last posted asking advice on taking commissions under the age of eighteen, and I just want to thank you all for your constructive and encouraging feedback! Since then I have talked it over with my parents and have made the decision to wait until I am eighteen, in which I can set up my own PayPal account, a new bank account, and will no longer have school to possibly cause troubles. Thank you so much for the input.

However, I had another question. I was recently browsing around the profiles of some highly popular artists who frequently take commissions, and noticed a few had very personal profiles... By this, I mean, swearing openly on their profile, slogans that could be taken as rude, and some that mentioned taking drugs/alcohol.
It got me thinking, what is the general opinion of these sorts of attitudes on a "professional" account? Is it unprofessional to feature swearing, alcohol/drug use or offhand attitudes on the same account you take commissions on? What do you feel when you see this sort of behaviour in a popular artist's profile, and does it turn you away from possibly commissioning them?
 
I imagined it being likened to a person swearing on shift in a job, however, online is very different, so I just wanted to know out of curiosity if that sort of behaviour effects your opinion of an artist's professionalism. 
Thank you in advance for any feedback!

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arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:15 am (UTC)
I can totally understand that. I have a few friends that are very blunt, but totally lovely people. However, I'd be rather reluctant to commission an artist that has a questionable attitude, or has a somewhat "I don't care" attitude (I have seen a surprising amount).
Thank you for the feedback :)
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techno4tomcats
Apr. 9th, 2012 01:47 am (UTC)
Personally, I try to be neutral and 'professional or at least work safe) on art galleries and keep any stupid stuff I do on my tumblr or twitter (or LJ under lock).
Some artists may try and be open with others on art communities. I think it mainly hinges on the audience who follows their art/and or commissions them and how comfortable an artist is expressing themselves and and not holding back on that. It may depend on subject (like adult?) matter too?

techno4tomcats
Apr. 9th, 2012 01:50 am (UTC)
to clarify on your second point, I would not commission someone who displays unprofessional behaviour in galleries they maintain. I'm just not comfortable with it.
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fenrirs_child
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:09 am (UTC)
It's really all dependent on the individual and on which site. On my website, it's all professionalism and 'work safe'. On my FA, I see it as more of a personal account too, so I'm a little more lax with what I'm willing to say. On my LJ, I tend to friendslock my more personal posts. In the end, there is a person behind the art, and I'm secure enough with my fanbase to be mostly open with them.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:11 am (UTC)
I was thinking that may have been the general thought behind it. And I mean, like people like people, as they say, so I guess it's a matter of what kind of audience you want to attract on what site. Thank you for the feedback!
semisonicstar
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:13 am (UTC)
Swearing and whatnot I'd have no problem with. But I would never commission anyone who was openly hateful towards others - groups, individuals etc. That's where I draw the line. /twocents
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
I agree. Although I am a little put off by swearing (but that's just my upbringing, swearing was and still is a no-go) but that wouldn't entirely turn me off an artist. However if there was any form of discrimination or "screw the world" attitude, I would think twice. Thank you for the feedback!
dinogrrl
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:18 am (UTC)
I would expect someone posting a professional thing (ie, a journal entry in a gallery they get commissions from) to make their posting professional. Yes, I have stopped watching people who ask for commissions in one place but turn around and make nasty remarks with nasty language in another. You want to talk that way, keep it off your professional site. I don't want to see it. Makes me wonder if that's the kind of attitude I'll be dealing with for the entire commissioning process. Plus it's just not something I enjoy reading, or listening to IRL.

Exceptions are of course made if the nasty remarks are, say...sometimes people will post short stories to go with pictures they've drawn, and maybe a character in the picture would say things like that. I'm okay with that.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:22 am (UTC)
I agree. I prefer for an artist to keep vulgar stuff to a personal account (or if their personal stories aren't crude or mean) and have left a few peoples' pages. And it's not just their attitude that turns me off; a lot of their fans jump down peoples' throats that oppose any ideas the artist puts out, and I just think if it went belly up during a commission, I would possibly have to deal with their fans.
Thank you for the feedback!
zaulankris
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:26 am (UTC)
I think being professional has more to do with your work ethic than your personal interests. Artists are people too, and as long as they get the job done it's all good to me.

Ofc I'll draw the line if someone is being an unreasonable jerk or if I find out their interests are something I'm really uncomfortable with (but it's good that I know, because now I know who NOT to give money to).
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
Yeah. I mean, I know really really good people, but swear like sailors. And then I see their families, and know why they swear. It's just a lot harder to judge if swearing is just normal for a person online, or if they have an underlying attitude I wouldn't want to deal with. Of course, if they've successfully completed many commissions and have dealt with them professionally, then I'd probably be fine with it.
Thank you for the feedback!
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blot
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
I think it depends. If it is a commission only account? Yes, I would expect a professional attitude. But if it's personal account? Goodness no. I don't have a commission only account, so those who desire to commission me would have to speak with me on my personal account, and I will admit I'm a casual swearer. I use the words often. If they don't like it, I always suggest they find someone else.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:38 am (UTC)
That's true. I don't mind swearing if there's no harmful intent behind it; I mean, most of my friends are constant swearers, but that is due to the fact their entire family always swear. I have no problem with that, they're absolutely lovely people. But if there's any hate behind it, I may think twice.
Thank you for the feedback!
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otherscape
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:43 am (UTC)
It really depends on what you mean by "rude". I lurk on CA.org (a place full of successful, professional artists) and the top dogs are, to a sensitive person, rude and cruel, but to someone with a thick skin, blunt and straightforward. And also extremely sarcastic. If that's what you mean, it's really up to you to determine that.

Though if I'm reading correctly, you're talking about people who are saying unnecessarily nasty things that have nothing to do with art because they believe they are holier-than-thou.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:48 am (UTC)
I think it is more the people who say unnecessarily nasty things. If its relevant swearing (something bad happened, they've had a bad day etc) then I am fine with it. Sarcasm doesn't phase me too much, as long as you said, it isn't unnecessary. I am a little sensitive and happy to admit it, but if someone is a good artist and professional, then I could wave any swearing and the like off since as someone mentioned, artists are people too!
Thank you for the feedback :)
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miryhis
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:43 am (UTC)
I've wondered about that, too. I don't say certain words, but I realize that people can be casual swearers. I don't really care if people curse. I'm willing to let the swearing slide if the person doesn't have that "don't give a crap" attitude. I've avoided people who don't swear but still have a bad attitude. It also depends on what they're saying, since some words can be considered to be worse than others. But overall, most swearing doesn't bother me, it's the attitude that matters.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:50 am (UTC)
I definitely agree. I mean, I have friends who swear like there is no tomorrow, but there is absolutely no malicious intent behind it; it's just the way they talk. And if someone has a realistic, alright attitude, then I would probably wave the swearing off fairly easily. However if they do have the "I don't give a crap" attitude, I will be more likely to not wave swearing and "rude" behaviour as easily, as there is a chance they have malicious intent behind their words.
Thank you for the feedback :)
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hazelfyrn
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:51 am (UTC)
I agree with a couple of posters--as zaulankris mentioned, I mainly focus on the work ethic and attitude of the artist. For places such as FurAffinity, I find it fine if artists are more casual about taking commissions.

I do believe, however, that when it comes to more controversial subjects (ie., race, abortions, etc.), it would do an artist well to stray from being confrontational about them. I don't post about politics on my FA because so many people have so many differing opinions on them. I wouldn't want to lose potential commissioners simply because we have opposing views.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:54 am (UTC)
I agree. As they always say, never talk about sex, religion and politics! I would avoid those things at all cost, since it really isn't work the arguments it could start ^^;
nambroth
Apr. 9th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
I see this from a slightly different angle, perhaps; the majority of my income and commissions do not originate from FA/furry fandom, so I may be speaking with a bias but....

There is always the chance that a lack of professionalism both in conduct, but in language and open speech about possibly illegal or offensive things will lose you a customer, especially when posted in public and high profile places (such as an artist's profile on a gallery).

There is rarely (if ever?) the chance that omitting vulgarities and omitting mention of things such as possibly illegal activities will lose you a customer, in the same respect.

It is entirely possible to be yourself and to let customers and friends catch a glimpse of what you are like without spilling it all or overloading a profile with curse words. Again, this is with respect to an individual that hopes to take work on related to their art (folks that have no intention of doing so-- act however you'd like).

In light of this, it is in a working artist's best interests to yes.. be personable and an individual, but there is no harm in keeping the swearing (or, since you mention it specifically,) and drug mentions to a minimum.

I sort of think of my public online presence in the same way as when I was working customer service. I can cuss and act however I like in my home or more private journals etc, but when I am on the job I need to be polite (which still allows me to be myself and enjoy talking to folks). I think the point lost on a lot of people is that you can be tactful in public (when it is your job especially) and still be yourself; the two are not mutually exclusive. :)

I don't know if this helps or not, but best wishes with whatever you conclude!
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:14 am (UTC)
This is a great response, and is really how I feel. I don't mind too much if individuals partake in illegal activities, but as long as there will be no "guilt by association" or any effect on their work ethic/product I am okay with it.
I think, however, it is not appropriate for some topics (as people have mentioned) to be touched upon on a commission account, but then again it is up to the discretion of the artist. What I think needs to be kept in mind is the sort of audience you will attract, and everyone will have an opinion about what kind of people they want as customers, I just wanted to get a general idea of what people feel is "too far".
Thank you for the response, you summed up most of my thoughts on the subject!
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nakoothetauren
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:04 am (UTC)
This all makes me feel a little weird. Coming from Australia and my exactly location there swearing is like common place?
Like Its rather ingrained in many people I know to openly swear freely and such.
I am also not running a commission only profile. I just rather keep my stuff lumped together.
I state on my profile that I am Australian. But not so much the swearing thing. But is this kind of... for lack of a better word... Stereotypical behavior frowned upon?
I'll say now I don't swear when talking to commissioners and there drawings, just on my own stuff and in my own drawings.

In any case I don't think its going to stop me from using language I am more than use to. I just would like to know how it appears to others.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:17 am (UTC)
Oh I know exactly what you mean. I come from Australia, and where I live, swearing may as well be plastered on the walls of shops. Which is why so many of my friends, their parents, and their families have incorporated swearing as part of their everyday dialogue.
However, in a business setting, I agree with what you've said. I would probably be fine commissioning someone, as long as they don't swear when talking to commissioners and about artworks customers own. In their own personal context (as long as it is not malicious/hate speech) I think it is okay to swear, and these answers have been really great in helping me see the opinions of others, which is what I was hoping for since my context (fairly heavily Christian family and upbringing) sort of caused me to be turned off by potentially good artists.
Thank you for the feedback :)
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laini
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:10 am (UTC)
I think if it's someone who's taking $10-20 commissions on the side for a wee bit of cash that kind of thing doesn't bother me.
Though as others have said I'd expect a certain level of professionalism in the journals or whatever where they are trying to drum up business.

I don't think it makes too much difference if it's someone who does art for a living, but there's a bit of a difference for me.

But aside from really major things like being rude to customers and things along those lines there's not much that would make me unwilling to commission someone.
Quality and price are the main factors.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:23 am (UTC)
That's true. I agree, price and quality, and that being rude to customers is a big turn-off. I think that is one important thing I will look at when I go to commission an artist, their interaction with the customer. That way I can make sure I'm not going to be burned with any passive-aggressive behaviour or even a personality clash.
Thank you for your feedback!
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arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:30 am (UTC)
I agree with literally everything you've said, and you put it much better than I could have!
I think it does come down to personal preference in the end, and I agree, there are some sorts of behaviour and the like I do not in any way want to be associated (and I have had to leave certain circles of friendship due to it) with, such as drug use. And as someone always tells me, once its on the internet, it will be there forever. I try to keep that in mind whenever I post anything to any of my accounts; if this crops up ten years later when I go for a job, could it cost me any credibility?
And I will definitely steer clear of the "rock-star" mindset. It can cause too many problems later, and from what I've seen, and eventual "biting off more than you can chew" situation, in which sometimes artists drop off the internet completely.
I mean, even in Australian law (to my understanding) to degrees you can partake in activities, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. But if there is a chance that the artist taking drugs/drinking could harm my product, my reputation as a customer or even the possibility of receiving the product, I would think twice about engaging in a business relationship.

Haha yes! Filter them out by being professional and "boring". I really enjoy that idea. Like people like people; you will attract people similar to yourself. So my logic behind that is, that if you act professional, calm and responsible, you will attract customers of a similar nature, and you will have a more smooth business life, but again, I'm still new so I am just trying to gather feedback on this sort of behaviour and how it will effect me in the long run for when I finally do start taking commissions.
Thank you for your feedback!
kayla_la
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:24 am (UTC)
I don't expect everyone to never cuss or be silly on their accounts, but I will say that I avoid those who display attitudes of 'I'M A JERK/BITCH/ASSHOLE AND PROUD LOLS' or go on about how they're 'really nice but don't piss me off!!'. I don't want to do business with people like that as it tends to also leak into their business attitude.

I think people like being able to relate to who they're buying art from, but you don't want to come off aggressive, as I know at least I just won't bother risking having to deal with it.
arcticious
Apr. 9th, 2012 03:35 am (UTC)
I totally agree. I've even see people post things/have slogans such as "I'm a mean bitch and I'm proud, gtfo if you don't like it!" and I was just shocked. That sort of behaviour, or anything I could view as passive aggressive, definitely turns me off from commissioning someone.
I agree; I wouldn't want to risk getting involved with an artist that could burn me later with a personal attitude that could effect their business attitude.
Thank you for the feedback!
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