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Jan. 3rd, 2006

I've got to make my first post here, because I'm bluntly appalled at the nerve of someone that I've been dealing with tonight.

I was offered a 1GB CompactFlash card (Lexar, good quality) by mix_hyenataur in exchange for some fursuit items. He claimed that the card was worth over $100-170 and that he wanted a trade equal to that amount with a discount. I looked up the cost online and I can currently purchase that *exact card* for $95, which I informed him, and offered him $115 worth of fursuit items and free shipping in trade for the card, which I think is more than generous.

I was told that I only cared about myself, that I should appreciate the "thought that counts" and that I wasn't losing money so why should it matter.

Just a warning, to any professional artists out there or people who run respectable businesses. I'm going to suggest steering far clear of this guy. He obviously does not respect the work that goes into what we do, and feels that he should get more than he's "paying" for.

Not worth the time, so there's a warning in advance for you.

Edit: I should add that he told me I charged too much (which in honesty, I charge less than or equal to most, and it works out to a horrible hourly rate, honestly) and that if he made the offer to anyone else they'd appreciate his generosity and jump at the offer.

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fierycatthing
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:15 am (UTC)
Augh, that's horrible. I saw your post about that offer, you were being far more than generous, I honestly wish I could have taken you up on it.

And on a slightly different note, it's not the "thought that counts" when it comes to business. Business is business, it is not personal, and he had no right to complain or tell you how he feels about your prices. If he doesn't like them, then he could move on and find someone else. But the fact is, your prices for fursuit pieces are very fair for the quality you work at.

~RedFeather
growly
Jan. 4th, 2006 12:52 am (UTC)
YES! I agree wholeheartedly. I have people wanting discounts on my stuff because they talked to me one time on AIM. o_O Or they act like you owe it to them and thinking you're best buddies or something.
It's kind of frustrating, especially when your business is your chief source of income.
Well god-damnit-all... - wolfwings - Jan. 7th, 2006 06:17 am (UTC) - Expand
xianjaguar
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:20 am (UTC)
He's also the guy that refuses to let artists sign their work. He will demand you remove your signature from your art if he is to buy it. It's really weird.

I've seen him interact with others online...I say, steer clear.
rosequoll
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, I realized after the first e-mail he sent me who he was and was like "oh snap, this isn't going to be pleasant".

I've basically told him to kindly "bugger off" and leave me be, and that I don't appreciate his self rightous attitude. A bit over the top for me, but he really rubbed my fur the wrong way.
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rosequoll
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:32 am (UTC)
Yes, same guy. And I'm really weirded out. He thinks that because he bought the card two years ago for more money that he can try to get me to give him equal value to what he spent then??

Oi. -.-
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shinmaxwell
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:28 am (UTC)
I never have liked this guy. I'd steer clear for sure.

as for you...you were being far more than generous...seriously..
armaina
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:33 am (UTC)
Pfft you're not loosing any money? yeah right. Because you know, obviously you make fabric, foam and other material appear out of thin air *rolls eyes*
I've seen a lot of his posts, and honestly, I don't trust him. (I also think this sob story is an utter lie, and ploy to get people to feel sorry for him. >_>)
he also seems to go around trying to befriend very talented artists in an attempt to get free art.

Also, side note
does anyone knoe if he actually MADE an icon for the icon exchange a while back? He never did show proof of it >_>
mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 08:54 am (UTC)
If YOU are so concerned about THAT icon, do the investigation by emailing the chap. You are accusing/implying that I am a liar and a theif on that behalf.

"(I also think this sob story is an utter lie, and ploy to get people to feel sorry for him. >_>)"

Reasearch it if you're in doubt, don't accuse me.
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neo53
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:36 am (UTC)
laughs~ You people need to read his recient LJ post. Its about the cards he offered to Rose Quoll...and at the bottom of his post, he hs the nerve [or should I say stupidity] to say the following...

"(Now 'as trade' cuz I figure no one else knows about the 'always give more than you get' rule other than me. Just stating, no offense

~rolls around on the floor~ OH PLEASE!
rosequoll
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:40 am (UTC)
(off topic but I love your character design. It is great and makes me unexplainably happy. I just thought you should know. I think it's the spots and the snaggle-tooth)

And yeah, he originally e-mailed me and just plain offered it to me, no mention of a trade or anything. I thought this was weird, so I kinda poked it along, offering thank you art (and if he had been for real, it wouldn' have been a cheapo 20 minutes sketch either, but that's besides the point), and then he freaked at me. Amusing, and even moreso...

creepy. Slightly...offkilter I'd say.
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mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:44 am (UTC)
I paid $200 for the card back then. I'm not going to let this slide for $95 when your work is the same as other top artists and a bit overpriced by my veiws.

I work 20 hours for $95. 40 for $200.

Buy it somewhere else then. I will buy less costly fursuit stuff as well from others.

oh gawd, you seriously are going to whine about this publicly.

You bitched me out when i asked for more than 'gift art' in the beginning, asking for a mere friendship and a paws/tail commishion later on when I'm feeling less ill.

I'm not hassling you. Matter of fact, i was trying to help you out in the beginning. You're just being a snob, thinking you are better.

Drop the attitude, because I don't have one at my end.
mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:46 am (UTC)
The link to your website in that entry was broken, so I don't know what your art or fursuits is like. I've never heard of you. So that's why I rated you with the general moderation of a price/quality range.

No offense.
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moonstone_wind
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:52 am (UTC)
ugh some people kicks em
noble_reloaded
Jan. 4th, 2006 04:10 am (UTC)
oh moonstone, u got those strong back legs ;) i just want to TICKLE EHHEE :) hows it going hun :)
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filthy_animal
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:59 am (UTC)
Not the first time they've been featured. In fact, scroll down in this community a post or three, they made an entry where I responded about them being featured here before, only to get snappy remarks. The comments were removed later, but I saved the html file for it before that happened, if you're interested.

Edit Nevermind, the whole string of responses was removed. But either way, I still have it. What a riot that they think artsists shouldn't sign their work. :P
filthy_animal
Jan. 3rd, 2006 06:59 am (UTC)
artists*

Fucking damn, I'm NOT typing correctly tonight. XD;; Sorry.
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mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:02 am (UTC)
What was going in my mind and heart was something that I paid $200 for... trying to help someone out and get about the same in return.

I worked 40 hours for that $200. She may work less and ask for the same price for $50 or less in materials, 'book valuing' my offer, but I think that it's unfair.

I really don't give a shit about what others have to say about my opinion and moral on that, it's my veiw.

So don't reply.

I'm done here.
tenna
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:06 am (UTC)
I cannot believe you truly expect to get your original 200 dollars back. Things decrease in value; you aren't GOING to get the original amount of money paid.

Anyone who WOULD spend 200 bucks on something they can get for 95 would be an idiot. And you're the same for expecting someone to do so.
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mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:16 am (UTC)
"...that I should appreciate the "thought that counts" and that I wasn't losing money so why should it matter."

I am losing money as well, hun, due to your 'book value' deals.

i was trying to be respectful on both ends.
mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:18 am (UTC)
I'm truly sorry about all of this. *sigh*
silver_huskey
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:22 am (UTC)
*Makes a somewhat flippant gesture towards the said problem.* I wouldn't worry about it. Thank goodness you didn't except his offer and cut the deal off before it proceeded any further. Other than being rubbed the wrong way, no harm has been done. Furthermore, you have every right to post this entry. Seems this Mix fellow is rather popular around here. ^_^;

Anyway, if he claims that anyone else would jump at the offer, then let him try to find those people. More than likely, no one is going to pay more than the market price for that card. (Cars aren't the only things that decrease in value with time!) Or maybe he'll get lucky and find some chump. Either way it's no longer your problem, and you've done your fair share by warning others. ;)
yaochi
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:34 am (UTC)
Folks, I don't think this fellow gets it.

I am not sure he is capable of getting it.

Might as well let the arguments fade away.
filthy_animal
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:46 am (UTC)
Your icon makes me smile. :3 So cute!
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rip_sama
Jan. 3rd, 2006 07:47 am (UTC)
I agree with yaochi.

But seriously, this has to be the 3rd (4th? More?) post made about this individual...obviously his reputation isn't good, and whenever a post is made, a flamewar insues. Obviously the community deserves to be aware of this individual, but do we really require the battle? I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset, but why not consider the option of removing the problem individual from the community? He's already an issue and a source of frustration/anger for what's probably 3/4's of the art community, so why allow it to just be made worse by allowing him to stay and cause an even LARGER ruckus?

Because you KNOW we're going to hear their name again.
And you KNOW the exact same back-and-forth is going to go on.

The point of the community is to warn other artists, yes? I can understand someone having the right to defend themselves, but by this point, is that really helping anything? So many people dislike this person, that ANY response made by them is a match being thrown into a haystack. Instant raging inferno.

Just my 2cents.
acrimonius
Jan. 3rd, 2006 08:07 am (UTC)
Seconding this, as well, but it may have been better had it been e-mailed to the mods. Posting it in public is a double-edged sword, especially considering the, um, topic of discussion is incapable of dealing with criticism of any breed in a mature manner.
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xodiac
Jan. 3rd, 2006 08:51 am (UTC)
Sounds like you made the right decision. Be glad you figured out this guy's glitch before any trade proceeded further.

An item has two values: sentimental and market. An heirloom might be worth only a few bucks objectively, but to you it's priceless because it was given to you by your grandmother on your third birthday. So, market value small, sentimental value high.

But most things have little sentimental value. And objectively, almost everything goes down in value once it's off the store shelves. Heck, once it's made. A piece of electronics is only the most obvious example. (Well, that and cars.) Nobody should expect to resell an item at the same price they bought it at (or more) unless that thing is somehow collectible. A baseball card might have cost less than a buck ($3 for a pack of six is I think the going rate of an unopened pack of random cards) but if you get a good one it can be worth big money.

But a memory card is not a baseball card. It is not collectible. Trying to sell it for the same price it was bought at is just not going to happen, no matter how hard the person worked for that initial money.

If Mix wants to sell it for $200, then he has a high sentimental value for it. But Rose doesn't, and shouldn't. She has no reason to.
mix_hyenataur
Jan. 3rd, 2006 09:00 am (UTC)
There ya go. The root of this problem:

Sentimental Value vs. Market Value.

E.g. i value my hard-worked money over devalue over time: Sentimental Value.
Rose doesn't.

Any reason why this thread should be here?

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