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What's the big deal?

So recently a few of my furiends on my FL have been freaking out over the fact some This person on Photobucket has uploaded some of their art to his account. Now mind you he is not claiming it to be his own, or taking credit for it, and even left the signatures in, but a my friends still are really upset he has uploaded their artwork. I really don't see what the big deal is about. As long as this person isn't claiming the art work is his own, I really don't see what the issue is.
But either way I thought I'd ask ya'lls opinion on the matter: Is it considered art thieft to upload someone else's art with out their permission onto your Photobucket account?
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acrimonius
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:24 am (UTC)
Redistribution rights. Most of us amateur artists want to be the person to go to to see our artwork, not some random guy with a Photobucket account and free time.

Assuming the kid isn't trying to take credit for the work (there have been and will always be thieves who don't erase signatures :P), the kid could have just asked nicely, and I'm fairly sure few of the artists would have objected to having a few select pieces shown off by someone who isn't them. Just my two cents.
drake_anaya
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:27 am (UTC)
I think if you're going to have just a gallery to display different people's artwork, you should
1) ask for permission, and
2) link back to the artists' page.

if you're just using Photobucket as a general storage space, you ought to select the option that makes your images viewable only to yourself, but...

this isn't really theft, as much as it might be illegal or unwanted reproduction of the works. there's definitely some official Dungeons and Dragons stuff in there.

I'd suggest that if an artist sees their work there and doesn't want it there, they simply contact photobucket and indicate that it's illegal reproduction.
drake_anaya
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:35 am (UTC)
This user appears to have another gallery here, FYI.
...and apparently here as well. Have fun :)
fierycatthing
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:27 am (UTC)
I think it's all a matter of the artist's personal preference on their art being reposted.

Some artists are really touchy about others reposting their work. Without direct credit, a link to their website for example, they feel their work stolen. Some even don't want their art reposted, period. Other artists just don't mind as long as the person reposting isn't claiming it as their own and their signature and copyright are visable.

While I see nothing wrong with that photobucket archive, since it seems someone is just collected good dragon images and stored them in one place, I can see where some might get a little angry over it.

~RedFeather
mix_hyenataur
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:38 am (UTC)
As people say to me: free publcity.

But those individuals should ask nicely to take them down, and he prolly will.

the kid just has a dragon fetish, and uses these as references to 'murrpurr' to every time he's bored and lonely.

Lol, I do the same by stockpiling pictures and etc on my computer to 'murrpurr' to.

'Waste of most space' list:
1. Transformation
2. Hyenas
3. VCL Horrors
4. Ogrish.com (aka, gore)
5. Engrish
mix_hyenataur
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:40 am (UTC)
going on 200 gigs.

Seriously.

i raped VCL, Yerf, Yaoi, transfur, etc of ALL their pics.

(not)

But i know those who have, and I always do have a collection that i flip through at night to make me snuggle up into bed with in thought.
forsaken_malice
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:38 am (UTC)
HAH!!! morons... It's not an issue to me. To me it's more like if someone right-click saved my art to their harddrive... only in this case it's saved to photobucket. Shit, seriously, yo.
yami_griffin
Dec. 30th, 2005 05:50 am (UTC)
personaly I agree with you.
i mean I'm always happy when I get an Email from someone asking to use a peice for some reason, just becuase so long as thier not making money off of the useage, I'm pretty much fine with it.
But cases like is is what a water mark is for. thoe that ask to use a picture, I always tell you at least have a link to my site or one of my galleries, just so someone has a better way of finding me then a faded, almost unreadable signature.
i've never seen the reasoning behind those that get so bent out of shape about redistrobrution... to me thats free advertising but to each his own.
filthy_animal
Dec. 30th, 2005 06:08 am (UTC)
Doesn't bother me so much, but they really shouldn't have it public. Nothing wrong with collecting, though, just should keep it private. :/
airukitsu
Dec. 30th, 2005 06:22 am (UTC)
I don't think it is a big deal and anyone that is going apeshit about it should calm down. Like they say, he isn't altering them or removing signatures. He is simply putting a collection of his favorite pictures together in one place. Or at least that is what it appears to be.
If any of my art was in there I wouldn't care. :/ He isn't claiming them or anything, and yeah it is rude to just save them like that, but that is unavoidable and the least of your worries. It can't be helped really unless you completely remove your art fromt he web. It happens, a lot more than we even think.

So yeah, whatever. If people want to freak out about it, then they should just try to tell the guy to remove the artwork or something, I dunno.
dunaerin
Dec. 30th, 2005 01:15 pm (UTC)
*apologizes for saving some of your art D:* I agree with you Airu everywhere except the saving polocy. I have alot of Aido's art - mostly Pyr and kendii- saved for reference, and I have your and MANY PEOPLES ref sheets saved too, as well as some art. Not as much as before when I was just a rabid talentless FAN XD but some none the less.
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the_snappy_wolf
Dec. 30th, 2005 06:52 am (UTC)
I don't think it's a big deal. As long as he isn't altering the images or claiming them as his own then it wouldn't bother me. I only get a little miffed if someone tries to use one of my drawings to 'represent their character' sence most of my drawings are of my own characters. None the less, no biggie in my opinion.
tenna
Dec. 30th, 2005 08:25 am (UTC)
I personally see nothing wrong with it.

BUT. I wouldn't say people who aren't happy with it are going "apeshit crazy". People have the right to not want their art reposted in any way and that should be respected.
thaily
Dec. 30th, 2005 10:48 am (UTC)
It's kinda disrespectful.
Taking something and publically reposting it without permission. A lot of artists tolerate it because it's a common occurance, but there are laws against it and well.. It's just not polite. How hard is it to ask an artist before reposting?
thaily
Dec. 30th, 2005 10:51 am (UTC)
Also, this is why it's so important that you sign your work.
If an image is reposted people will know who it's from so they can A. find more of your work B. Contact you and tell you your art's been resposted, wether you take action or not is up to you ofcourse. Though some people have a very obvious "do not redistribute" policy like Frank Gembeck.
larylich
Dec. 30th, 2005 12:09 pm (UTC)
Nobody has the right to post someone's art in a public forum without concent of the original artist, unless they have bought the rights from the artist. Case closed. And, no, buying the piece does not mean you have bought those rights as well- you just bought the art/print/tangible piece.

The artist has complete control over how and where the work they created (sold or not) is displayed. The arguement of, "It's free advertising" is irrelevant.

If you respect the artist, ask permission. If you can't, don't do it.
dunaerin
Dec. 30th, 2005 01:14 pm (UTC)
Photobucket is not a public forum. It's a photo hosting account. And in all honest, artists need to get the stick out of their ass. the whole CC movement has gone too far, but I still believe that if someone wants to share MY ART with a friend, be it on LJ or website or whatever, so long as they don't say it's theirs, they should be happy with it! I know I'd be honored. Of course, some artists claim they draw for ONLY THEMSELVES111one but the truth is, if you're posting it on the internet, you want recognition, so when they get it, they oughta shut their trap.
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dunaerin
Dec. 30th, 2005 01:11 pm (UTC)
It's not. Honestly, artists are ten times too paranoid these day. So what? Someone likes your work? Isn't that a compliment? Photobucket is a hosting account- so unless you show me somewhere this person says OH LOOK AT THE COOL DRAGON! Or I MADE UP THIS SPECIES CALLED CHIMERION AND ARMAINA DREW ONE FOR ME [In -my- case]. Art is for everyone. If you wanna take something I drew, and show someone, say 'I found this cool picture on the internet, isn't it cool' then I'm gonna be happy! Art theft is a big deal, I know first hand as many artists do- but I'm not gonna bother someone for LIKING my work.
larylich
Dec. 30th, 2005 02:06 pm (UTC)
You're mistaking "LIKING" someones work, with taking liberties with someone's copywrited work.

Nothing is wrong with liking someone's work and privately showing it to your friends. You are correct- art is for everyone in this sense.

There is everything wrong with publiclly displaying someone else's work with no permission to do so.

It's great that you don't have problems with reposting YOUR work, but don't impose that on others. Recieving a compliment should be connected with surrendering IP.

As for Photobucket- its public. Anyone can sign up for an account.
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sand_dragon
Dec. 30th, 2005 02:40 pm (UTC)
I'm not so much angry anymore then I am annoyed. The more I look at it and through the stuff, I realise this is probably a young kid who doesn't know any better. Three of my pictures are already in one gallery and he has two others. He's been banned from DA for uploading his work there, whether by mistaking DA for something like Photobucket or whatever.

To me, it is theft, but not a serious case. It does sort've rest on individual differences. Some aren't upset and others are. I'm kinda both flattered and annoyed. Now, had he edited the signatures out, I'd be a little more skeptical.

mirsathia
Dec. 30th, 2005 03:15 pm (UTC)
Well, since it was me who made the mass-mail.. *grins*

I myself was informed by a friend, and was extremely amused that not one, but two of my pictures made it up on the gallery.

I didn't want my art up there, and so I contacted Photobucket to get the images removed. They did so promptly. I also tried to contact Nikera, but got to response.

I went through the images and searched for and found names for only perhaps a third to half of them - lots of the pictures aren't signed, and the majority aren't website watermarks, just hand signatures.

I did the work and emailed everyone that I could find because, like Thaily said, regardless of what you do with a work, it IS disrespectful to take and post that work elsewhere without an artist's permission beforehand. It's most definitely NOT that difficult to take 15 minutes out of your day and shoot off a quick email saying, "Hi there, I like your work, can I add your picture(s) [image] to a Photobucket account of mine for archiving purposes? Thanks!"

It's in one of the very first parts of Photobucket's TOS that unauthorized reproduction of images is illegal - and that's what Nikera was doing. I didn't find it a big deal, but nevertheless I didn't want my pictures up there, and I hadn't authrized the use of my images. I emailed everyone else to give them the option to have theirs taken down.
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