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Beware: Gideon


WHO: Gideon, AKA Gideon Hoss

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/gideon/

WHAT: $75 plain commission

WHEN: well over a year ago. Files first AB report three months ago, got a response in under twenty four hours from him....and a PM saying he was headed to a convention a month ago....and then not a word since.

PROOF: last contact: http://i.imgur.com/qCqbT.jpg also, see http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/547604.html

EXPLAIN: I am dissapoint.
So, at this point, I leave it up to Gideon. If he wants to finish the commission, fine by me, he has a month. If he does not, I would like a refund.
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oceandezignz
Feb. 8th, 2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
Eesh. I do hope you also sent this as a note to him too, although I know he has a tendency to pop up in his A_B posts anyway.
neolucky
Feb. 8th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
It seems like a common occurence, where he pops up for damage control and says "Oh sorry Ill do it yadda yadda" then doesn't.

Gideon, please stop taking commissions if you cannot handle them like an adult, and FINISH THEM within a reasonable amount of time. Getting posted to A_B over and over again will only screw up your reputation, and constantly "saying sorry" won't change the fact that you're getting widely known as an unreliable artist.
ryunwoofie
Feb. 9th, 2012 12:07 am (UTC)
This is becoming a common thing to bring him here for any form of results. That's sad indeed. Hope you get something out of this mess. :\
gideon_hoss
Feb. 9th, 2012 12:09 am (UTC)
I have one month
Drop me a note on FA and I will make sure this gets resolved. I have stopped taking new commissions and just now doing AT con sketches that are completed at cons. I have been getting through my back log of work I have taken too long to get to and sadly it is taking a while even so. Contact me on FA and will get it done.
kikai_saigono
Feb. 9th, 2012 01:00 am (UTC)
Re: I have one month
Do you watch this community and wait to see when your name pops up so you can do damage control? Because you gave the same "I'm going to make this right" last time but you haven't really done it.
neolucky
Feb. 9th, 2012 04:29 am (UTC)
Re: I have one month
Do you have a public list available for your prior customers to keep track of? You really should at this point.
Re: I have one month - yamato_iouko - Feb. 12th, 2012 05:48 am (UTC) - Expand
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fiawol
Feb. 9th, 2012 01:39 am (UTC)
I'd actually have to echo Gideon: if you want to commission him, see him at a convention yourself, or find a friend you know who is going to a convention that Gideon will be at and get THEM to commission him for you. When the artist tells you "I'm not taking new commissions", take them at their word and don't try to talk them into squeezing you in. It never turns out good. Sadly, the only way to find out which artists you should NOT commission at home is through other commissioners complaining about not getting the work they've paid for. Eventually, the artist will stop getting new commission requests, and hopefully will make good on their old requests.
astraldescent
Feb. 9th, 2012 01:48 am (UTC)
Well since this began over a year ago, maybe the artist was taking commissions then? I'm not sure though.
marus_puppy
Feb. 9th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
"Eventually, the artist will stop getting new commission requests, and hopefully will make good on their old requests."

What's this hopefully business? If an artist has outstanding commissions, they shouldn't be taking on extra work until they are caught up.
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neolucky
Feb. 9th, 2012 04:24 am (UTC)
I think you're making excuses for unacceptable business behavior. I'd say at this point do NOT commission the guy, not at home, not at convention, not ever. Because it sounds as though he takes them, goes home, then doesn't finish them.

In some realms, that's called "Stealing" or "Scamming". It's too bad it has to come out repeatedly at A_B, but it's completely clear the guy can't handle all the work he takes.
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patchotter
Feb. 9th, 2012 04:09 pm (UTC)
I agree with the rest of your post, but $75 isn't really a bright side. That can be a lot of money for some people. It's not hundreds, sure, but to this particular commissioner there's a possibility that it might as well be.
I never buy commissions and I'd be devastated if I wasted $75 on being scammed. I guess it's all relative.

It is just terrible behavior on the whole though. Awful. :(
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featheredragon
Feb. 10th, 2012 07:42 am (UTC)
I commissioned Gideon at MFF 2009 and recently got my money refunded because he was taking too long and was somewhat difficult to stay in contact with which made me uncomfortable waiting.

However, I do not think he is an ill to do person. I get the impression that he's just overwhelmed. He did admit to me he took on too many take home commissions and he also decided to not take any more--at least until he's able to cope. I'm not saying this completely excuses not getting work done or any failing to keep in contact or keep promises but I think it's been/is a learning experience for him to as an artist.

Also, while he didn't always respond or reply right away and while it did usually did take a little prompting, he would eventually reply. I do think it's true he is bad at procrastinating but I don't think it's necessarily on purpose.

I've been impressed by the fact that he always managed to be polite in his messages and in person. He also surprised me with a free quick sketch at MFF2011 of my character as a sort of apology for the delay. It wasn't something he had to do but I really appreciated the sentiment.

Afterwards, after more waiting he was still taking to long to reply so I did ask for a refund which he did give without hard feelings.

Anyways, I happen to know he has been on vacation since Further Confusion (not sure when he's supposed to come back though). Learned about it about two weeks ago when I contacted him for a refund. I'm sure this has affected his ability to reply to messages to some degree. I did suggest it would help if his customers if they knew how long roughly he would be away for.

I do admit that I have felt frustrated with Gideon on account of the sporadic nature of his communications. However, like I said, in the end, I think he is a well meaning person who just bit more than he could chew. And as I said, he was always very courteous in talking which was greatly appreciated.

While I can't speak for him, I'm sure he'll reply to you eventually if you keep reminding him (not every single day but say weekly if it's been too long) and I'm sure he'll work with you to get your issue resolved.

Whether you want, trust him enough, and are willing to wait for your work, that's really something you have to decide. Worst case, I'd say ask for a refund and that way Gideon doesn't feel hounded and you don't go crazy trying to figure out what's going on and when you're ever going to get your work. I think the best thing to do is just commission him for at-con commissions in the future.

Anyway, in my case, I'm glad I was able to resolve things with Gideon and I feel it was resolved on a mutually fairly good note for which I am also glad. :3

But yeah, I do sympathize with how you're feeling having been there myself. Best of luck!

Edited at 2012-02-10 07:45 am (UTC)
kadaria
Feb. 10th, 2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
So in short, if I want to avoid a situation like yours; having to " nag", hostile in AB post, constantly seeing "but he's a nice guy" excuses without seeing results, don't hire this artist. Got it.
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