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WHO: Stellary/MuffinButton,  via SpaceInvaders

WHERE: http:///furaffinity.net/user/spaceinvaders

WHAT: A refund for a flash-coded ref sheet

WHEN: July 2nd, 2011

PROOF: 

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/GothicLolita66/PaypalProof.png - original paypal receipt

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/GothicLolita66/refundnotes.png - The notes between Alex and I, and the one I sent to Stellary.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/GothicLolita66/notes1-1.png - screencap of my outbox, showing that my note was read. Orange marks near the first note to SI and the one to Stellary.



EXPLAIN: I ordered a ref sheet from them in July. There was a bit of an argument because their journal had said "send payment within twenty-four hours of claiming your spot", so I sent it after I requested one. Stellary and Alex got upset with me as they had not discussed it with me before I sent it, but apologized and said that yes, I could have a slot since I paid. I apologized for misinterpreting their journal, and all seemed well. It was my error, please do not judge me badly for it. I was overexcited and I made amends.

Near the end of July they posted a journal stating that they would be willing to issue refunds, though, for those who wished it. 

Proof: 
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2564103/

I waited until November, with still no sign of activity. I sent the account a note (they asked not to be messaged on the personal accounts about them) asking for one on the 15th. Alex told me to speak with Stellary about it. I sent her a note, asking for a refund, letting her know Alex had pointed me to her. She read the note, but never replied. (note screenshots are up top under Proof, they're a little bit small)

I don't want to start a fight, and I know they already has posts about the sheets, but I didn't want to necromance them back to life. 


This is my first AB. I know that times are rough for almost everyone, believe me I understand, but it doesn't look like they are ever going to be completed.

I do want to say that I appreciate Alex responding to my notes and being kind ^^

Edit: Including both, since they did split the payment.

Edit: Alex was super-nice and is gonna send me his half. Thank you Alex!

Edit: Sent Stellary a new inquiry note.
 I will update if it gets read or I get a reply. (unread, journal posted, see below)

Edit: After reading this journal, I sent her an actual email: Email Here

 Edit: She replied promptly. -Email Response-

 Edit: I got Alex's refund in the mail today. =] Feel free to remove him! Thank you Alex!

Edit: She moved accounts again, to Muffinbutton. Be sure to watch out for that account as well.
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celestinaketzia
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:14 am (UTC)
Well, this isn't surprising at all. I am sorry that this is happening. Alex has their own posts here about themselves, but I do hope that he chooses to distance himself from Stellary. She is bad news and has had a long history of bailing on commissioners when she's not being abusive to them.
alex_dachshund
Feb. 3rd, 2012 04:28 am (UTC)
Yeah >.< I don't want to be associated with Stellary anymore because I now know it was a stupid decision to be partners with her.

I'm going to be refunding my half of the commissioners. And I hope Stellary refunds her halves too.

Edited at 2012-02-03 04:28 am (UTC)
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drone_dragon
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:15 am (UTC)
Eek. Sounds like an uncomfortable situation. I hope it gets resolved! D:
lolitaofthevoid
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:22 am (UTC)
Thanks you =]
ryunwoofie
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:42 am (UTC)
Not shocked at ALL that she's being re-posted here.

Damn I was hoping she got her act together. I REALLY liked those 'dress me' commissions. What talent wasted by a horrible attitude. It's unfortunate..
lolitaofthevoid
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:48 am (UTC)
Apart from the the rudeness at first, she really didn't have an attitude. And she had apologized for snapping at me. I was looking forward to getting one of them, I'm a huge dress-up nerd. Ah well... It is unfortunate, because I really do enjoy the work she does.
otherscape
Feb. 3rd, 2012 01:42 am (UTC)
What a surprise, Stellary hasn't learned anything. Unfortunately this will probably get messy considering her last two posts. I hope she responds to this and you get your money back.
mekania
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:03 am (UTC)
Did Alex not get any of the money then? Because if the money was split in any way I don't think it's right for one of the partners to be responsible for the whole refund even if it is their fault the work isn't being done.
skulldog
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:08 am (UTC)
I was wondering the same..seems like a lot of those two team artist groups end up fizzling out over things, and one gets left with doing the refunds.
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neolucky
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
Both are people I highly recommend not doing business with, and would steer clear of when it involves money. Both have posts here, and neither of them have proven to me that they can handle treating commissions like a business.

I really hope you see your money, but I have a feeling you won't considering who's involved. Why did Alex tell you to talk to Stellary? can't Alex refund you in any sort of way?
lolitaofthevoid
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:28 am (UTC)
Alex said he did not have the funds, and to ask her instead.
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shukivengeance
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:53 am (UTC)
Since both artists owe a refund due to how the money was split, I am altering the tags to contain both names.
alex_dachshund
Feb. 3rd, 2012 03:55 am (UTC)
This is how our collabs worked. Stellary drew the bases for the dressup games and the clothes, then she handed them off to me to be coded and arranged in Flash.

Since she hasn't given anything to me, I can't code anything that's not there.

I TRIED IMing her on Skype about this, a few times she said she was going through stress and personal problems, another time she said she was going to finish them soon. And I believed her.

I checked the SpaceInvaders account a while back and there was several notes on there wondering about the games and I told them basically I can't code something that doesn't exist, and to message Stellary about it because she did most of the work.

Another few times, I noted her on FA, and IMed her about the SpaceInvaders commissions and she would just not respond. She read my note on FA but ignored it. Sent another and its been marked as unread.

Back when we were doing these, her Paypal had been banned or something because she was sending/receiving payments as Gifts so she asked Lonelywolf182 on FA if she could use his Paypal account and for him to send me my half of our share. Lonelywolf182 has no part in our collab business, btw.

I took on this job to be her partner because I like believing in the good of people and that people can change. But I guess, I was stupid and blind and didn't see that she hasn't changed at all.

I would refund these people if I knew the exact portions of the shares I got and if my Paypal was working. My Paypal is limited. It's limited because I linked my bank account, tried to transfer money from my bank to Paypal, and it claimed my account was invalid and kicked it out several times. Did this three more times even after I got a new account and then it's saying I need to fax my personal info to some number. *shrugs* I can receive payments, but I can't send them.

alex_dachshund
Feb. 3rd, 2012 04:08 am (UTC)
Also thanks to an awesome person on here, I'ma look through my records and I'll try to refund these peeps my half of their payment through money order since I do have a paying job now. ^_^
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copper_curls
Feb. 3rd, 2012 04:18 am (UTC)
From what I've seen in the comments to this point, Alex is trying to be responsible and make good by refunding the portion of payment he received. So, once that's done, I would think removing him from the beware would be a good move, since he got dragged in largely by the fact his partner was not producing the work he needed to do the Flash.
syrusb
Feb. 3rd, 2012 02:05 pm (UTC)
Totally agree. Once the refunding is done, removing Alex from the tags and adding an addendum to the post to state he did right is the proper thing to do.
ninkit
Feb. 3rd, 2012 05:49 am (UTC)
Ah, Alex, I would highly recommend you don't collaborate with Stellary anymore if you're serious about repairing/keeping any sort of credibility. :( I'm sorry she hasn't learned anything at all.

But really...I'm not at all surprised. Good for you for trying your best to be responsible though! :D And hope you get the rest of the refund Lolita.
lolitaofthevoid
Feb. 3rd, 2012 05:50 am (UTC)
Thanks. I'm gonna send her another message tomorrow and see what happens.
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alex_dachshund
Feb. 3rd, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
I am going to, I really don't wanna be a part of this anymore.
justblieve
Feb. 3rd, 2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
I'm not at all surprised to see this. Stellary hasn't learned a damn thing it would seem since her initial posting here. I checked a few months back and she had like 40 commissions on her "to-do" list, but was continually taking more and then would make journals inbetween about how she had an art block or x and x was going on so she couldn't draw. I understand everyone goes through these things at times.. but if you can't even make headway on the art you owe then you definitely shouldn't keep taking more and more :|

It's already been said, but I definitely hope Alex drops all professional ties here with Stellary. She's just turning into the new Starfinder.
alex_dachshund
Feb. 3rd, 2012 11:20 pm (UTC)
Alright, a bit of an update! I went out and got the money order! :3

http://www.iaza.com/work/120204C/iaza15286020843200.jpg <--Proof

I'm going to be mailing it tomorrow. Hope ya get it safely!
lolitaofthevoid
Feb. 4th, 2012 01:03 am (UTC)
Alrighty, thanks!
marblestheskunk
Feb. 4th, 2012 02:03 am (UTC)
Stellary basically posted a journal saying she was going to avoid her commissioners because they 'stress her out'...

she also said she doesnt respond to notes, heres her email

Stellary@ymail.com

I REALLY hope noone EVER commissions her again, I'm so sick of her bs!
ninkit
Feb. 4th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
oh. lmao. I just can't even be surprised. Woooow. *shakes head*
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alex_dachshund
Feb. 8th, 2012 10:22 am (UTC)
I'm so glad you got the refund safely! :) I just hope Stellary sends out her half too.
Terra Stella
Feb. 11th, 2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
I found out Keesa (her other name on Chats), just opened a new chatland site. She's fairly active, and drawing for the site over there, too.
I'm not sure if I should post? If anyone wants the link (and if it's allowed) just let me know.
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