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I might have been scammed

I have reason to believe I was scammed by an artist on Furaffinity

It happened about year ago, I met with an artist online who was just starting out, but seemed promising. Me and him established a good friendship, and coincidentally we only live maybe 30 minutes away from each other. So we decided to meet up at a restaurant. We had a great time, and left on a really positive note. But before we left, I gave him 20 dollars cash for a color and ink commission.

The artist in question is named Furinkazan, and here is his FA page: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/furinkazan/

Shortly after me and Furinkazan met in person, he began talking to me less and less on MSN, until he decided to eventually block me for reasons unknown. And for months, I could not get in touch with him. I tried sending him only a few PM's through FA just to see if he was still active, which he did not respond to. But I knew he was active, as he was favoriting others works, and occasionally posting his own. At that point I made a very grave mistake which I wholeheartedly regret doing and posted on Furinkazan's shout box something along the lines of: "Thanks for stealing 20 bucks from me"

That shout was immediately deleted by him, and he left a shout on my page, marked a year ago, which you can see here: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozz/ It says: "I never said I wouldn't finish your commission, so don't accuse me of stealing in a public arena when I've stolen nothing from you. If you have something to say, note me."

Even though it was a bad idea, I figured now he was finally going to talk to me, I PM'ed him back, and the conversation is as follows:

http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm1.png

So it would appear, it all worked out in the end. Well not quite. Even though we made up, I still never got any commission from him, but I did wish him happy holidays:

http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm2.png

We then clarified what I wanted my commission to be:

http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm3.png

And that was the last time we talked. He still blocked me from MSN, but he promised me that he was going to do the commission. A half a year passes, and still no commission from him. However I'm still being patient, and when his birthday comes around, I leave a shout on his page wishing him a happy birthday. He leaves a shout back on my page, which is still there that says: "Thanks! I'll have your stuff done soon, sorry it's taken so long."

What I did next might have probably put him over the edge, and it was also something stupid I did that I regret doing. Last month on September 5th, I left a shout on his page saying "Happy one year anniversary that I still haven't got my commission! :D" Well that shout was quickly deleted, my name was removed from his owed commissions list, and I was blocked from his page entirely. I was not trying to start drama, I was merely stating that its been a year now, and I still don't have my commission. I completely went about it the wrong way

So now a month later. At this point, I don't care if I don't get my commission, or if I don't get a refund, I just want the community to know that Furinkazan is a scam artist, and to not make the same mistake I did. I tried contacting several different FA administrators, but they all ignored me. Finally as my last step, I made a thread on the FA forums, and a few civil people there redirected me to Arists_beware, since it is quite clear from that thread, that they do not care that there is a scam artist still at large, and that I am the one at fault somehow, that I was harassing him. Here is a link to the thread in question: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/108723-Scam-artist-on-FA

Well apparently from the thread the issue was resolved, at least for the moment. After much consideration, I gave furinkazan my home address so he can send the refund through the mail, as shown in this PM: http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm4.png
 Well it has been three months later, and I still have yet to receive that refund, which I kind of expected I wasn't going to receive.

I admit completely, that there were moments where I should have handled the situation much more appropriately, and not have said some of the things I said. Unfortunately, I cannot take what I said back, but I did apologize for what I said, and understand it was wrong to do so. But I still feel that does not excuse the fact that it has been a year and a half that I paid this artist for a simple piece of artwork that I will never receive, plus the fact he probably has no plans on refunding my commission money.

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lackoflollies
Jan. 6th, 2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
FA typically doesn't do much about people not completing commissions until it gets into the several thousands of dollars range (Read: Starfinder). So them ignoring you is not something you need to take personally.
That being said, he still owes you a refund at this point, even if you do not want it. Beware warranted. I hardly see your behavior as uncivil, aside the "thanks for stealing $20 from me" comment, but hell it's TRUE.
celarania
Jan. 6th, 2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
Neither of you conducted yourselves well, but even if you were just impossible to work with that doesn't mean the artist just gets to keep your money without giving you the art you paid for.

You did eventually clarify what you wanted via MSN, right? Just because I see you saying "No, not that," but not what you did want and if they couldn't know what you did want... It just changes things up a little.
mozz1
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
The last time me and the artist in question spoke was through PM's on FA. I told him the address where he can send the refund, as shown by this, which I probably should have included in my original entry:

http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm1.png
shukivengeance
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
That screencap actually IS in the entry.
mozz1
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
Sorry, my apologies.

http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm4.png

That is the screencap in question. :)
celarania
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks for showing the last screencap. It has been a while then since the refund was promised.
shukivengeance
Jan. 6th, 2012 10:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks, the proof of the promised refund is a vital piece of info and you should be able to edit this entry to include it in the original post.
venatorrooc
Jan. 6th, 2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
Some of your comments were a bit passive-aggressive, but his behavior is pretty bad as well. He should let his commissioners know what's up instead of ignoring 'em, I mean a 20$ commission shouldn't take this long to finish in my opinion. Blocking you seems incredibly shady as well.

You do deserve either your art or a refund though.
celestinaketzia
Jan. 6th, 2012 07:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with the others. Despite your behavior, which you admit to, and I am glad you are learning from, he owes you a refund.
taelifoe
Jan. 6th, 2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
Yep, this is pretty much how I see it, too.
excessdenied0
Jan. 6th, 2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
The way you spoke to him, and the ways you tried to contact him may have been pushing it a bit too far. That's definitely why he blocked you, and I get the impression that maybe less communication may have been more useful here. I would contact him and apologize for your behaviour, and for making him uncomfortable.
However, he still failed to come through on his end of a business transaction. At the very least, he owes you $20. I would ask for that as a footnote in your apology. That may be the best way to resolve the whole thing, as the transaction was cash and the ball is entirely in his court right now.
excessdenied0
Jan. 6th, 2012 08:39 pm (UTC)
To be more clear: Apologize a second time, and reiterate your request for a refund. I can totally see you did this once already, but if you're posting here looking for a solution and not just to defame him then maybe try doing it again. If there's no response you can chalk it up to a learning experience.
Definitely keep your interactions more formal though, that's my best advice.
mozz1
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
I have no problem apologizing to him again and politely asking for a refund. But I fear that by doing so, he will still see me as stalking him and harassing him, as he claims I did before, and would be more determined not to refund me. I'm actually not even sure if he has re-banned me from his FA page.

But if you think that would be the next right move to make, then I will gladly proceed.
excessdenied0
Jan. 6th, 2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
I think being worried about him misinterpreting that as harassment based on what's happened previously is a very legitimate concern, which is why you'll want to be really formal and really careful when you phrase the message. Anything remotely personal might trigger some hard feelings. Give it a shot and see how it goes. If it goes badly there's nothing really to be lost here.
The only reason I can see not to do that, is if you feel that leaving him alone will get you that refund faster. If you think he'll refund you eventually all on his own if left to do it without any reminders, then that would be reason not to contact him again.
mozz1
Jan. 7th, 2012 02:03 am (UTC)
I don't know whether if leaving him alone, or reminding him again about the refund will get him angrier, or it will just remind him that he hasn't refunded me yet. Its a tough decision to make, and I wouldn't know the right words to message him, to politely ask when I will receive the refund I was promised, without throwing gasoline on the fire.
spiffystuff
Jan. 7th, 2012 03:11 am (UTC)
It's been three months. There is NOTHING WRONG with saying privately (or publicly, really, but that will be seen as more confrontational and this person clearly doesn't handle that well) "hey, I was wondering what the status of the refund is? It's been a few months, and I haven't received anything, please let me know if it was sent out!" etc. I mean, what if they sent it and it was lost? Etc.

If they've blocked you then IDK, that's a big bad on their part. If you truly don't care about the refund at this point / it's not worth chasing them to you, just add to the entry that they've blocked off every preferred mode of communication and leave it as a beware to others.

Edited at 2012-01-07 03:12 am (UTC)
mozz1
Jan. 7th, 2012 03:45 pm (UTC)
Okay, I thought long and hard about it, and I sent a friendly reminder to the artist, which you can see here: http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/pm5.png

I will update when, or if he replies back to me.
ogawaburukku
Jan. 7th, 2012 01:04 am (UTC)
I noticed you said you paid ten bucks for his lunch. Out of curiosity, did you say before you met IRL that you'd treat him?
mozz1
Jan. 7th, 2012 01:58 am (UTC)
I did, yes. He told me he was short on money, and that I would treat him to lunch. He at least had the courtesy to pay the tip though.
ogawaburukku
Jan. 7th, 2012 02:18 am (UTC)
I knew a guy down on his luck who moved to the city but had no place to live for another two days because his new place wasn't ready. So I let him stay at my place one night and bought him a lunch somewhere. We didn't know each other very well at first, but before he left you would have thought we were best buds. He always said he'd pay me back, I said he didn't have to, etc. And then he avoided me like the plague... We had mutual friends who told me he was ashamed that he had to have me help him out. Turns out he was still having to mooch off others, and when he was done he'd vanish.

Your story kind of reminded me of that guy. I wonder if he agreed to meet up for the nearly free meal, and if he avoided you because he knew he could never afford to give back the twenty bucks.
frazzled_niya
Jan. 8th, 2012 02:14 am (UTC)
:\ I know a few people like this ~___~......It's really sad.
frazzled_niya
Jan. 8th, 2012 02:15 am (UTC)
I don't really agree with some of the "sarcastic" comments you left on his page. Well the manner of the comments. Either way to not give you the refund or money is pretty low and blocking you so you can't contact them about it.
mozz1
Jan. 10th, 2012 03:39 am (UTC)
Well considering that its been three days since I left the artist a PM about the refund and he has not responded, however he is favoriting artwork on an almost daily basis shows that he is still very much active, and has no intention of refunding the money he promised me.

So I chalk this up as a loss in my book, and a hard lesson, never commission someone who has no reputation. And just a fun fact, if you look on the artist's page, you'll see that he has completed 35% of a commission for 612. Its been 35% for well over a year now, and I feel sorry for that person, because they will also likely never see their commission, or a refund.

Steer clear of Furinkazan.
dethm0le1
May. 3rd, 2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
done
This is Furinkazan, I sent the money to Mozz today. It should take a few days to get to him.

I have the money order reciept that I can photograph if there's any doubts about this. This commission got more than a little out of hand and I'm happy to see it all done with now.
shukivengeance
May. 4th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)
Re: done
We will be more than happy to add a resolved tag to this entry once Mozz confirms they received the refund.
dethm0le1
May. 4th, 2012 12:03 am (UTC)
Re: done
Thanks, I appreciate it.
kerstin_orion
May. 6th, 2012 01:20 am (UTC)
Re: done
Got an update from Mozz; post has been marked as resolved!
mozz1
May. 6th, 2012 01:17 am (UTC)
I have received the refund from Furinkazan for twenty dollars in the form of a postal money order. I don't appreciate the fact that it took you this long to send it to me, but at least you kept your promise and did send it.

And likewise, I will keep my promise to you, by never communicating with you, or mentioning you to anyone again. In short, I am out of your life forever.
kerstin_orion
May. 6th, 2012 01:20 am (UTC)
Thanks for updating us; marking the post as resolved!
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