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Convention Business Gone Bad

WHO: 2chaotic

WHERE: IndyFurCon 2011,

WHAT: a custom tail of my personal character

WHEN: It was the Sunday of that con, on August 14th.

PROOF: Business was done in person at the Dealer's room.

EXPLAIN: So I was scouting the dealer's room that Sunday to make some last minute shopping when the artist in question approached me with the pickup line "You need a tail". I figured why not, and began talking to him. We flex the details out and he asks me for the payment of $40. So I run to the ATM, grab the cash and pay him promptly. I ask for contact info and give him mine, since it was definitely going to be homework.

So 10 days later on FA, I send him this note:

I checked my notebox for a few days, nothing. Waited a little more, saw he read it, but hadn't responded to it.

About 2 weeks later I send this:

I could sympathize with what he had to say and told him in return, "Ahh okay! Thanks for lettin' me know! If you could, please shoot me a note when ya get to work on mine, if ya can!". So I went back to playing the waiting game.

Decided to poke him again at the beginning of November:

Same tune, different instrument. He read that final note, but never sent me back anything in regards to my commission specifically.

A few weeks later, he posts this journal (I screencapped it in case he deletes it). At that point I was pretty peeved, Notice how he has other outstanding commissioners also wondering about their commissions.

I held off for a bit before posting this entry, was hoping he'd respond to my comment, maybe even in notes, but nothing came of it. :/ so I shot him a note earlier asking for a refund. Which may have been a jerk move considering it's the holiday season, but I'm really sick of this lack of professionalism. :/

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Dec. 20th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
Well, he said he is shipping some out on Monday so maybe one of them is yours?
Dec. 20th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
I can't read dates. DISREGARD THIS. :T
Dec. 20th, 2011 02:15 am (UTC)
I HATE waiting around for a commission with no contact while the artist opens up for more.
Thank you for the beware, I hope things work out.
Dec. 20th, 2011 02:43 am (UTC)
Yeah they set off red flags like a mofo. :/
Dec. 20th, 2011 02:20 am (UTC)
the artist in question approached me with the pickup line "You need a tail".

See, I'd be wary about being approached by people that way (Then again I'm kind of a paranoid sort). People have done that to me before (not necessarily for cons, of course) and it tends to leave me feeling sort of put on the spot and uncomfortable. I always end up thinking of those alleyway knockoff-watch dealers who try to scam you out of cash, and honestly looking at this dude's gallery I'm getting all kinds of red flags-- From the journals (going from "I'm tired of having the burden of these tails on me so I'm getting them done" to "Let's get more tails going!" within a month?), to the submissions (Only one tail done and shown in the last year?)...

He's dodging providing pictures or any other sorts of proof that these tails he's supposedly mailed out a month ago even exist, and I'll bet he hasn't given anybody whose tails were supposedly mailed out any tracking info for those tails, either.

Honestly, if I were you I'd just straight-up get on him about a refund, because I'm getting a lot of really bad vibes that you'll never be this tail. Did he even have a table set up at IFC with decent (and more recent) examples of these tails he's apparently making?
Dec. 20th, 2011 03:41 am (UTC)
IAWTC. Also, it could be that I am just picky, but after looking at the commission images in his journal I am not sure I would have paid $40 for what appears to be such low quality and experience.
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Dec. 20th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC)
Tell him you'll report him to IFC if he doesn't get either the tail or a refund to you within a month. (& do so if he does not)
Dec. 20th, 2011 07:12 am (UTC)
I second this :\ blows that you'd have to go so far.
Dec. 20th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Oh jesus. Sorry your first IFC kinda went like this. :/
Dec. 20th, 2011 03:45 am (UTC)
Oh, no, Koze. I know exactly the guy you're talking about. Fritz ordered a tail from him at the first iFC. It was supposed to be a donkey tail. It finally came in the mail and it looked nothing like a donkey's tail; it was actually more of a cougar tail.

He hemmed and hawed on Fritz, too. Took him over 6 months to finally get the thing, and it isn't even what was ordered. Definitely worthy of a beware.
Dec. 21st, 2011 02:26 pm (UTC)
Aw that sucks! I like Fritz :C
Dec. 20th, 2011 06:20 am (UTC)
there's also another user on his shouts asking twice about a bobcat tail, i think this may be a repeat offender on this stuff...
Dec. 20th, 2011 07:16 am (UTC)
His gallery seems incredibly lacking when it comes to pictures of commissioned items.

Another thing I noticed while looking through his journals, there are a lot of things that just happen to go wrong in his life. Seems like he has a lot of excuses on why he isn't providing pictures or why it's taking so long to ship stuff out. Don't get me wrong, I know life happens, but either don't take commissions or refund the people you owe money to if life is that hectic. dsssf
Dec. 20th, 2011 03:30 pm (UTC)
I'd just get the money back to be honest. Unless he has photos right now, like NOW, tell him to forget it, don't make the thing and refund.

It's suspicious that he doesn't have proper examples on his gallery, just a few fur tubes (which look nothing like the species they are supposed to be).
Dec. 20th, 2011 07:10 pm (UTC)
Please keep in mind rule number 4: no criticism of artistic quality or monetary value. This post is about not receiving the tail, not about the artist's skill level.
Dec. 20th, 2011 04:53 pm (UTC)
Oh good lord...this guy.

Yeah, I went to iFC this year and he heckled me as well. "You look like you could use a tail!" when I was already wearing one. I just said, "No thanks, I make my own anyway. :P"
Dec. 20th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
Oh wow, he harangued you, too? He never said a word to me and I figured it was because I was wearing a tail. Guess he got desperate after a while.
Dec. 20th, 2011 07:36 pm (UTC)
He also apparently heckles people in comments to buy his tails.

Dec. 20th, 2011 11:54 pm (UTC)
Eh... 50/50, I'd call that. It looks desperate, but it's his journal, so my opinion is he's free to post and comment as he pleases as long as he doesn't violate the TOS. Now if he was heckling to sell tails in other people's journals and submissions, I would definitely call that uncouth.
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Dec. 21st, 2011 01:03 am (UTC)
Beware deserved. Then again, I hardly wear tails anymore these days.
Dec. 21st, 2011 10:30 am (UTC)
I went to the journal the other day and recognized someone's name. I sent her a note asking if she ever got her tail. She said she still hadn't received hers either, and her comment on that journal is a month old. I think she had forgotten about it until I asked her. If she had ever gotten her tail, I might still hold out hope for you. Unfortunately I don't think you'll ever see this tail. Reports to IFC might help prevent him from doing this to other people though.
Dec. 21st, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC)
Shockingly, he produced a WIP picture. Proooobably only because she called him out on it, though.
Dec. 21st, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC)
I went to IFC this past year and WHENEVER I went by this guy he'd harass ya! "You need a tail".
It got old after about five times. This makes me quite glad I DID NOT procure one from him.

Best of luck in your case, it is a sickening lack of professionalism. :(
Dec. 22nd, 2011 07:22 am (UTC)
I remember this guy, he harrassed me and My SO every time we walked by and did it OUTSIDE the con too. We ran into him at Skyline and our group invited them to sit with us and he immediately went on with 'you need a tail'.
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