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Original Poster Name: kravenlupei

Date of Post: 2011-12-09 13:25:00

Link to Original Post: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/546619.html

Link to Screengrab of Post: http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2926/sbeware1323460078209.png - Original
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6326/sbeware1323553215281.png - Resolved version
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5633/kravenlupei120911.png - Some of the comments, warning, large file
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1605/kravenlupei1209112.png - More comments, warning, large file

Tags on Post: artist-shiuk, beware, resolved

Reason for repost: User was hostile and insulting in the comments, received two warnings to tone it down. Continued to be hostile, made several attack journals on FA (that were quickly deleted), insulted another user and was thus suspended for 5 days.

In reaction to 5 day suspension, he harassed another user in their personal journal and was subsequently permabanned. In response to this permaban, he went into his post and started mass-deleting comments he didn't like.

Since he has proven himself unable to handle his own behaviour responsibly, we have decided to repost where he can not control the comments. Please do not take this as an opportunity to harass Kraven, in or out of the community. Normal harassment rules still apply here and you WILL get banned for it.
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celarania
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
I am the user he choose to harass and these were his comments left in my livejournal: http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6196/proofar.jpg Warning for crude language.
otherscape
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:15 pm (UTC)
Holy hell, what is his problem? I'm sorry you had to put up with that.
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otherscape
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Is there a link or screenshot of the journal where he harassed this user? Not going to harass him obviously, but I'd just like to see what he did.
otherscape
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Oh, never mind.
snowhawk
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Holy cow.
purpule
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:15 pm (UTC)
Wow.
Amazing.

Also, I love how obviously using patronising language is explained away as "how is that insulting?" as if it was never meant to be. Because it was meant in a completely innocent and affectionate way even though it was repeatedly said that it was a defensive response to being thought of to be attacked. It's like, okay, take responsibility for your words please.
copper_curls
Dec. 11th, 2011 06:48 am (UTC)
Yes - apparently that's just a "minor hit" because you "hit them first", and if you object you're "fucking retarded." Names & icons of other commenters have been pixelated to prevent outing.

Screencap from his journal.
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lovegonnadrown
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
dude just keeps digging that hole. good riddance.
dodger_greywing
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:26 pm (UTC)
Just look at all the artists who will NEVER do business with him.

Good job, Kraven. Don't think for a minute that this is comm has only a handful of people. Oh no, this will spread much further than you think.
purpule
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
I was the first one to say I wouldn't do business with him - but he really took my reasoning completely out of what I had meant. I said I wouldn't because he was attacking me and being pretty hostile, THAT'S the reason, I wasn't questioning his integrity or honesty at all and that seems to be what got him pissed off originally - because he thought people were blacklisting him 'cause they thought him a liar, but that wasn't it at all.

I mean, I spoke to him regularly in comments later, I don't understand how it blew up THIS huge.
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lackoflollies
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:30 pm (UTC)
And there's another person i'm gonna blacklist, and encourage other artist friends of mine to do the same.
spiritlobo
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:30 pm (UTC)
W-Wow...really, I have to admit, it's kind of interesting how he sought to warn others about someone, and ended warning everyone about HIM, if that makes any sense.

Seriously Kraven: calm yourself down. The internet=/=srs buisnes.
baronyiffington
Dec. 11th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
That actually happens fairly frequently here. Many times a person has posted a warning about an artist and also made themselves look awful.
shukivengeance
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:31 pm (UTC)
I had to raise an eyebrow at how he argued that using "princess" in a condescending way and "full retard" aren't insulting at all, but that asking a question instead of taking his word as gospel is an attack on him.

It's rather hypocritical.
dodger_greywing
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:36 pm (UTC)
The "full retard" joke is from Tropic Thunder, which is one of my favorite movies (mmmm, Ben Stiller and Robert Downey, Jr.), but that joke wasn't even that funny in the movie. It's even less funny when said by someone not RDJ in horribly ironic blackface.
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sharpecostumes
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:33 pm (UTC)
What I don't understand is Kraven was simply making a a_b post about a difficult artist. Where did all of the drama suddenly occure from? Something about an argument over a partial/full refund. Shouldn't we all just take from the experience the fact that the commissioned artist can be a difficult person to work with sometimes and that it is fully resolved?
lackoflollies
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
It got heated when he was warned about using 'princess' in a condescending matter, and it went downhill from there.
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theblackdragon
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:48 pm (UTC)
If I may make a suggestion, I think it would do more to end the negativity on A_B's side, at least, if comments were disallowed for reposted entries where the reason was the OP misbehaving like this. leaving the comments open, big-text warning or not, almost invites users to jump in with their two cents and keep ragging on the guy after he's already permabanned, which is insult to injury, and any users with a genuine addition to the entry in question (like Celarania) can get in touch with the moderators directly to have pertinent information/screenshots added afterthefact.

idk, i just get a bad taste in my mouth when i see people piling in after the damage has been done. :/
kayla_la
Dec. 10th, 2011 10:52 pm (UTC)
The repost was specifically because he was deleting comments in his own post. We wanted people to be able to comment freely without them just being deleted.

I understand what you're saying, but on the opposite end I'm uncomfortable with the idea of making it so people can't comment about an issue at all, you know?
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blot
Dec. 10th, 2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
I am very glad that this was taken care of. Good on you A_B staff. That is why I love this community so much, the mods are quick to act, and it's just full of useful information.
cappucola
Dec. 10th, 2011 11:20 pm (UTC)
I am going to tell you all right now I am pretty embarrassed to find out he blew it out of proportion like this after I had stood up for him before this all happened in the earlier entry.. (before the mass deletion, etc) bluh.

I really don't know how I feel about this. I've known him for a long while but this upsets me because I just really never expected it.. oh well. :C
kayla_la
Dec. 10th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
I doubt you're the only one. I'd honestly be pretty embarrassed, too, and mad that my friend would be so.. well. Yeah.

That said, don't sweat it, you can't control your friends and sometimes you can't predict them, either. He went overly hostile so QUICKLY that I don't think anyone could have seen it coming just because people wanted some extra information. Nobody did or said anything even remotely deserving of his reactions here. That's all on him, not on anybody else.
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fastbreak333
Dec. 10th, 2011 11:56 pm (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2986119/

And it seems our friend has decided to stick with people that will undeniably agree with him no matter what. It seems he'll never learn. Pity.
fastbreak333
Dec. 11th, 2011 12:37 am (UTC)
Oh, and as another mention he still thinks we're "butthurt" over comments being deleted on "his" journal. I really have no words about that.
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demonofdreams
Dec. 11th, 2011 12:54 am (UTC)
Good grief, I thought he was just annoyed from pent-up frustration. The whole name-calling thing already got on my nerves, but that attitude just about pushed it. :I Not cool, I would never want to work with someone like that.
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