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Community Poll

It's that time again!

Art theft and tracing posts have always been allowed in artists_beware up until now. This poll is so everyone can decide if they want it to stay that way, or if we should change that aspect of AB.

Also understand that even if the community picks 'no', it is up to our discretion if we feel a particular incident is extreme enough and would substantially benefit from being put to the attention of the AB membership.


This poll is closed.

Should tracing/art theft posts continue to be allowed in Artists_Beware?

Yes, I like it as it is!
241(40.3%)
Yes, but only if the person is taking commissions/trades using traced work.
227(38.0%)
Yes, but only if there is an exceedingly high number of traces or a long history of tracing AND the person is taking commissions/trades using traced work.
84(14.0%)
No, that's what art_theft is for, AB should focus on the rest and let AT have ALL the tracing/art theft posts.
46(7.7%)

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thaily
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
I think there's relatively few art theft posts in A_B, mostly about huge sites or people who trace for pay, seems to regulate itself alright.
temrin
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:41 pm (UTC)
Reasons why i'd post them:
-If they were not crediting or claiming as their own.
-tracing for commissions, trades, etc.

If people are tracing with permission, duh thats okay. They were given permission. And for own personal improvement. But naturally, those shouldn't see the light of day :/ Because its practice and you most likely dont have permission.

I don't think i've seen any particular post in A_B yet that hasn't been a good post. It makes you aware. Doesn't necessarily stop everyone from purchasing from the artist. But its good to be aware of it regardless.

My 2 cents anyways :3
celestinaketzia
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:45 pm (UTC)
I agree with this. While one of the last tracing posts wasn't a dead give away, I probably will never purchase from that artist as too much seems too fishy.
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skittlewolf
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:50 pm (UTC)
I'd rather keep the tracing posts because it allows people to see that an artist is partaking in a sketchy activity whether or not they are taking commissions. What if they are thinking of taking commissions or starting in the near future? I'd rather know who to avoid or who to take with caution/grain of salt.
trimblecat
Dec. 8th, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
I kinda believe the beware aspect regarding tracing is "Hey this person who's taking commissions has a history of using other's drawings. You might be paying for a drawing someone else made. Commission at your own risk." A lot of people use their gallery as a portfolio anyway to get business so it comes across as false advertising to me if they have a high number of traced images.
chronidu
Dec. 8th, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
Pmuch if they're taking commissions for traced work without siting, it belongs here to warn off future buyers.

However just single cases of tracing for the sake of? Should probably be saved for Art_Theft and Trouble Tickets on the site.
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badkittyamy
Dec. 9th, 2011 11:33 pm (UTC)
problem is art-theft posts don't always get replies and there's no archival system like there is here to look up past offenders.
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wolf_goat
Dec. 8th, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
My opinion isn't quite stated above: I think they should be posted if the person is tracing from another artist's work without permission and taking commissions. If they are tracing or heavy referencing other material, or not selling their traces, then I think it belongs somewhere else - there's too much debate and uncertainty in those issues.

And before anyone jumps on me, that's just my opinion.
stormslegacy
Dec. 12th, 2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
This is how I feel. I put no in the poll but only because none of the others reflected my real response--there are certainly cases for bewares, when someone directly steals the work from another and/or traces copywritten work (including photos) and makes minimal changes.

I feel the evidence needs to be very solid and not a matter of "letting the community decide." Why? because psychologically humans are programmed to detect patterns and similarities--even when they aren't there. Coincidences too easily become foolhard "proof" and real business reputations are at stake. If this can't be met then I feel it better left to Art_theft.
neolucky
Dec. 8th, 2011 10:50 pm (UTC)
I think the tracing posts are fairly important. I hope they stay.
teahound
Dec. 9th, 2011 05:08 am (UTC)
Agreed. Art_theft has a far lower userbase, sadly.
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raeraesama
Dec. 8th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
As a customer, I'd like to know what artists are selling traces, so I know not to buy from them.
monogato
Dec. 8th, 2011 11:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I am agreeing that if they are tracing/aren't being genuine about the sources they used, then it is worth posting to artists beware. That is something that person's customers may be concerned about - just like a poor track record in customer service or fulfilling orders. I think they are worth keeping around, as long as discretion is used in approving posts (i.e. poor construction of evidence should be asked to try harder and come back later) - though it doesn't seem to have been much of a problem yet.

It's a real issue, even if it seems to come with some unwanted drama.
alopex
Dec. 8th, 2011 11:39 pm (UTC)
I would like to see them stay. Artist beware has a lot more members than art_theft does so many people would miss out on important tracing issues if this community got rid of them.
megumi_kitten
Dec. 8th, 2011 11:58 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of keeping it, as long as they're selling thier work.
duster
Dec. 8th, 2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
I say if they're making money off traces, post it. If it's some kid paintbucketing in porn, that's an art_theft thing.
celarania
Dec. 9th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
I didn't vote, but I think they should only be posted if the tracing/art theft is illegal. Tracing a great deal from someone else's work is obviously a serious offense, and infringement of copyright, but tracing some from a stock photo or your own photo is legal. People may not like it, but the artists doing this are within the law, so I think that'd better handled in the tracing community. There may be a middle ground with the frankensteining, but that would be up to the mods I guess.

TL; DR - Tracing itself isn't qualification or disqualification from posting, but it should only be brought up in the context of theft/copyright infringement.
fallimar
Dec. 9th, 2011 03:51 am (UTC)
True. Whilst I know that most people in this particular community (myself included!) think that tracing -anything- is a very skeevy way to do business, it is in fact legal so long as you own the rights to the material being traced.
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enter_data_here
Dec. 9th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
I hit the wrong button. I think it should stay in art_theft unless it is related to an artist tracing for commissions and trades.

I'm seeing a lot of questionable tracing posts lately too and it's irritating that people can post questionable/shaky proof. I'd rather A_B stay a place to warn other artists of bad artists/commissioners.
kayla_la
Dec. 9th, 2011 01:35 am (UTC)
I believe you can change your vote anytime you want. :)
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