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WHO: Rainhopper / Toast Rabbit

WHERE: Rainhopper OR at Toastrabbit

WHAT: Not willing to pay comission price he owe me.

WHEN: Ordered at 2009 July 25. - Picture received at approximately 2010 August. Payment haven't arrived ever since from him.

PROOF and STORY:

There were a comissioner, called Rainhopper, also known as Toastrabbit in his actual name. He once comissioned me for a highly detailed artwork which would cost him 60 Euro, which is approximately equal to 80 USD. We discussed every single detail together to its finest. The communications are held upon Furaffinity's notes and GMail's e-mailing systems sometimes when we had doubts about things. Times have passed, and I have to admit I've got some complications with school and whatnot during the time and it kept for about almost a year which I felt myself ashamed, but once I've got some free time to finish what I was about to tell to be finished, I finally did what I promised and sent the original high resolution picture to him via e-mail in hope to get paid but only a somewhat short but still a modest thank you e-mail has been received and nothing more.

The picture I did with such effort can be found here now here (since either him or the mods have removed it - EDIT: 2011.dec.04.) Though the description says that Jako did it, it was my former account and as the account journal says I moved to the newest location, just in case if someone is in doubt if it's about me or an other person, I just told it right here.
However I uploaded it to my Furaffinity gallery, I've entitled it with a NOT PAID tag right infront of the title, to keep it in mind both for him and for artists if he's about to spot you as an other victim of theft.

I have been waiting for months then I was out of patience, thus I asked him what's going on with the money? He said he is having complications with paypal nevertheless he's broke and 2 the rantgryphon holds him, which I accepted as "oh well, shit happens, let's just wait some more then..." I was hoping he was about to get that arranged ,but yet another several of those months have passed (almost A YEAR) and still nothing. Then I've asked him the same, but in a bit impatient motivationful voice via e-mail, and he replied the same. THIS is going on for ONE and a HALF YEAR by now, and I'm seriously out of patience, not to mention he dare to attend at MidFur as a Guest of Honor. How can people sleep at night like these?

Till he don't pay me off, this thread will remain for letting you know who is about to comission you, and if I were you: DON'T ACCEPT ANY FURTHER COMISSIONS FROM HIM(Toastrabbit, Rainhopper) as long as I'm unpaid.

Hereby I'm going to link evidences with commentary. The screenshot cuts have datestamps to proove my complainment.

Evidence01
A whole copy of what he sent me in notes by promising this and that right after arranging the details which looked nice and fair so far.

Evidence01 supplemental
Not so relevant, but the e-mail where I've sent the sketch for further detail arrangement to check if everything is alright with it. Normally I keep doing things this checking way, to avoid complications in details, wether my customers like the way it looks or not.

Evidence02
Months have passed and still nothing...

Evidence03
Right after I uploaded the picture, all he did is just a thank you, not even mentioning he' still willing to pay me or something which OUGHT to be happen after this long delay if I were him.
Evidence04

Evidence05
What? He can even AFFORD to make it to MidFur from the United States?... Okay, where is my diamond shotgun?

Evidence06
Perhaps this is another excuse not paying me out...
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fenrirs_child
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:19 am (UTC)
Some of your screencaps have been resized and are too small to read. Could you fix them? http://imageshack.us/ is a good, free place to host them that you can set to not resize.
jackrow
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:35 am (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback, I uploaded all the screenshots to where you suggested. Thank you for your help!
skittlewolf
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:31 am (UTC)
For future reference, many artists take payment up front, or at least partial payment. Also, next time do not send the commissioner the high quality image until AFTER they pay. Send them a watermarked, low resolution one before they pay. Now that you've given him the product, he is less likely to pay now.
jackrow
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:48 am (UTC)
I used to do it that way but then it was all over. I did the way you just actually said so right after this issue and it seem to work, although thank you for your suggestion!
kerstin_orion
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:36 am (UTC)
You can send a Trouble Ticket on FurAffinity saying he posted that art without permission, since he has not paid for it yet. The admins can then remove the art. It doesn't get you your money, but at least he can't show it on his page.
jackrow
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:47 am (UTC)
I'm curious if he recognizes the comment I left him on the submitted picture(which I actually did lol). If 1 month passes without any reply, then I'll surely do so.
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likeshine
Dec. 3rd, 2011 02:50 am (UTC)
Till he don't pay me off, this thread will remain for letting you know who is about to comission you

fyi, the post will remain regardless because deleting posts is against the rules here. however, if he pays you the mods will mark it with a resolved tag.

good luck! you do wonderful work :)
jackrow
Dec. 3rd, 2011 07:14 pm (UTC)
Thanks likeshine!
I do plan to let it hang there as an evidence, unless he removes it or being removed by a mod.
(no subject) - shukivengeance - Dec. 3rd, 2011 08:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
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albinowolf
Dec. 3rd, 2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
I'd say the artwork is worth more than $80; It's absolutely gorgeous and well done. The detail is superb! If I paid $80 and received that, I'd have definitely sent at least another $20 for tip.
(no subject) - jackrow - Dec. 3rd, 2011 07:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
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mandrill
Dec. 3rd, 2011 04:51 am (UTC)
Really nice artwork and yes, it is easily worth $80. I hope that guy pays you soon!
flarveon
Dec. 3rd, 2011 05:11 am (UTC)
Wait. He's coming to MiDFur? Please tell me he has obvious badges so I don't deal with him in the dealers den! ;_; *writes down name/s*

So sorry this has happened, you might not get your money by the looks of things :/
crazeetyger
Dec. 3rd, 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
There is a photo of him in his gallery.
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canis_ridens
Dec. 3rd, 2011 07:38 am (UTC)
I'll second trying to contact him on Twitter before reporting the pic to FA. If he's not active there anymore, having the pic pulled first might not get his attention, which in turn won't get get you what you're owed.
witchiebunny
Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:42 pm (UTC)
He's active on Twitter.

*sighs* Let me text him/2 and see if we can't get this mess resolved.
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thaily
Dec. 3rd, 2011 09:41 am (UTC)
I see Vikavek also still owes you money, and for some really nice art too.
Please, PLEASE take money up front, all of it if necessary.
jackrow
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:43 am (UTC)
Like I mentioned before, ever since this happened I did the way like you suggested and some others before this comment. Now I ask money first in real time conversations and by promising my word, I send them what they paid for.
enter_data_here
Dec. 4th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
Still haven't heard from him?
jackrow
Dec. 4th, 2011 12:34 am (UTC)
Still not heard from him, not even a reply at Twitter I dedicated to him by replying a random of his entry.
mialattia
Dec. 4th, 2011 04:49 am (UTC)
Noted. I'm sorry that happened to you, and with a so-called 'higher profile' client. It's such an insult for him to post the image and then ignore you.
rabidwookiee
Dec. 4th, 2011 06:21 am (UTC)
Hmm, the submission in their gallery is conspicuously missing now. Removed by an FA mod, or Toast, I wonder o.o
skittlewolf
Dec. 8th, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2981643/

Looks like someone is a little late to the party.
kerstin_orion
Dec. 8th, 2011 08:46 pm (UTC)
Someone 'cap this please...I'm on my phone and can't.
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jackrow
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:33 pm (UTC)
UPDATE:

Toast did actually replied (however by note), and by keeping my word on not copy-pasting this into public word by word, the fact is that we're seemingly having it discussed and in a surprisingly *nice* way (No sarcasm here at all). Perhaps I'm also responsible to get this back in the right way and saying some words by his sake.

Let me state here My any His facts:
>I failed by keeping it that 2 year long and forgot to inform him about what was going on which I would like to apologize for.
>He didn't tell me in time he didn't want the picture anymore. (The one he claimed)

I guess it's a 1 - 1.

Expect this issue being Resolved in the future, because I dare state here that I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
skittlewolf
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
Not wanting the picture or not, you finished the work and thus he still has to pay you for it. Even if he had said he didn't want it halfway through, he still owes you the time you worked on the piece.

While I do agree it wasn't good on your part to keep them in the dark, it doesn't excuse the excuses and the general tone he has kept with you. Not to mention he had a YEAR to pay you for the work which you gave him after a year of work.
(no subject) - jackrow - Dec. 8th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
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kerstin_orion
Dec. 11th, 2011 04:15 am (UTC)
As this contains personal issues with no relation to the original post, I'm screening this comment.
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