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WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).


WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.




Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

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shukivengeance
Nov. 26th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC)
Mod post
Since this is rather long due to the spacing, I'd like to ask that you insert an LJ cut.
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 02:40 am (UTC)
Re: Mod post
I don't know how to do that, can you tell me how?
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duster
Nov. 26th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Can you put NSFW warnings on your evidence please?

I gotta admit... one back line is kind of a stretch. Some of the other examples I can kinda buy but idk. I guess I'm a little skeptical of "they traced a back line" or "they traced a buttcheek."
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
Sorry about that, I've been sick and didn't even think about it.

As for the way she traces, a lot of it is known as "frankensteining", trace parts of the image, rotate it, trace another part, trace the torso and then draw your own limbs, etc etc.
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otherscape
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
I would screenshot her drawings and post those instead since she's most likely going to delete them soon.

Also, http://i40.tinypic.com/m75czn.jpg has been deleted from tinypic.

otherscape
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)
You also should put NSFW on the suspected traces.
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marus_puppy
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
Holy cow. Is this Tracing Awareness Month? So many people are getting caught recently, it's just... shocking.
cesarin
Nov. 26th, 2011 06:45 am (UTC)
probably because most furs thinks tracing (like many then popufurs did) is a easy and instant ticket to success.
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morti_macabre
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:33 am (UTC)
Looks pretty solid from the overlays. I'm interested to hear the other side.
celarania
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
This whole thing feels a little stretched to me in most cases. In a few I'm not sure I even see the "traced" lines.

I'm sorry, I'm not wholly convinced this is tracing. As far as I can tell it could be referential (how does this person handle a post like this?), but I'm not buying that it's traced, or if it is that it's enough to even be copyright infringement.
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:38 am (UTC)
I'm not saying anything about copyright infringement, I just think people should be warned that they are buying mostly traced art. In many of the cases, the lines match perfectly (the ones off mine, the shoulder and ribcage off one of Dipper's, the back and stomach off another of Dipper's, the back and stomach off Shopenhauer's). I can provide more overlays to show differing opacity's and how perfectly they line up if necessary.
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enter_data_here
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:37 am (UTC)
I don't really see 1 and 2, but 5-8 are really clear and obvious from my standpoint. 3 and 4 I can see what you see, but other are definitely gonna say you're stretching too much there.

I understand the "frankensteining" and how frustrating it is because it's not ever going to be perfectly clear how much, if any, is actually traced - plus when people think "trace" they think full, and don't realize that partial traces are just as common if no more so. I think her gallery is a little inconsistent too especially with proportions and her ability to draw the form... some of her stuff is so perfectly drawn but other stuff looks like old work or something.

From what you and some others have posted previously about her personality I guess it's not a stretch to think that she's doing this. I hope more definitive proof can be had so you don't get accused of letting your feelings against her blind you or something.
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 03:39 am (UTC)
I actually didn't want to post here initially because I was concerned that people would attack me, assuming that this was some personal vendetta. I was asked to do so by several people whom I showed the overlays to.
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ljmydayaway
Nov. 26th, 2011 04:50 am (UTC)
I don't see any tracing from this at all, honestly. The most I could see is maybe being inspired by the form and then drawing her own.

It's perfectly possible to grow in skill without posting art all the time (if she doesn't live with you anymore, how do you know she's not doodling in her spare time or studying anatomy on her own?), I feel like I've done this myself.

It seems a little grudgy, especially since most of the art she drew seems on par with the art you posted saying that she didn't copy/trace it.

It also doesn't seem to make much sense, to make major anatomy mistakes when she could just trace the artist's lesser mistakes instead. :P
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
I'm honestly confused as to how no one can see the line for line matches and perfect hip to hip and stomach to back ratios going on between these images. (I also find it ironic how people jumped all over Dipper for tracing the eyes of another artist's work, but think that this is perfectly acceptable?)

I do know her and her habits, she spends 10 hours a day on WoW most times (ask anyone else who's lived with her, they can verify she'd rather play games than work). She has a terrible work ethic and hardly draws in her spare time.

As for them being on par, no they aren't. Though I know some people have trouble differentiating huge style and anatomy jumps, so I don't hold that against you in any way.

Most people who trace from other artists, don't realize they are actually tracing the other artists mistakes as well. It's a common mistake, and it's the reason it was so easy to find all of these. It only took me an hour to find most of them, the last two were provided to me.
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lovegonnadrown
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
I also think you may be jumping the gun on a couple of them, but just as many are extremely suspicious and make it clear that this isn't just a coincidence, especially considering that all the other artists in the overlays are people she watches.
lovegonnadrown
Nov. 26th, 2011 07:49 am (UTC)
actually, having more time to think on it and seeing what other people have been saying... yeah, actually, this doesn't really make sense. :/ there are a few I'm still iffy on (mostly the last two) but honestly the majority do seem too minor and over-reaching and the choices that were made in the "traces" don't really match up with typical tracer behavior... Why would they only do (mostly) the waist and butts rather than more difficult things like the hands or the head? idk. it just seems off.
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starinthegutter
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
Sorry, but no.

Most of the examples (I got bored after 5) are all in the hips- not direct tracing, maybe referencing.
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
If they were just referencing, the hip to hip and stomach to back ratios would not be identical. (I feel like I'm going to have to say this a million times over).

There's a distinct difference in tracing and referencing. They are traces, but they are partial traces, not complete.
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jakejynx
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:22 am (UTC)
I think you're over-reaching. I'm just not seeing a lot of this. I mean, it's easy to see a pose and find a similar pose done by another artist, overlay them, and find these tiny areas where they just happen to match up. Okay, so a one-inch, nearly straight line matches up. So what? 90%+ of the drawing doesn't. Even in instances where referencing is done, you're bound to have certain lines that match exactly. And you don't even know that those particular images are the ones that were referenced or traced. They're so generic, and so far from exact matches, you could pick other similar images out of a hat and probably find the same sort of matches.

Also, your attitude towards others in some of your responses isn't exactly lending credence to your claims. It's making it seem even more grudge-y, that you're getting so bent out of shape towards those who offer dissent.
0acorn0
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:24 am (UTC)
I'm not getting bent out of shape in any way, I apologize if it comes off that way. I'm sick and have a bit of a headache, so I'm probably coming off a lot more dickish than intended.

Like I said above, if it was a coincidence, the ratios wouldn't match perfectly, and it is up to each person to decide what they consider to be "the line" in terms of these things.
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spiffystuff
Nov. 26th, 2011 05:53 am (UTC)
I don't know if I'm missing something but this looks pretty weak to me. It looks like you're saying she traced a curve here, another there, but rarely even both sides of whatever bodypart we're talking about, muchless a whole leg.
squirrelly_kaku
Nov. 26th, 2011 06:39 am (UTC)
Like I said before when you posted on your fa journal the one you claimed was traced from you, I think you're over-reaching due to a bias you have against this person. Those lines barely line up to each other, and no less, these are extremely generic poses. As others have provided examples of exactly what you're doing to these overlays, you're seeing what we're seeing when it's suddenly focused on your art.

You might want to just take a breather for a bit. Your history with this person just might be clouding your judgement.
oceandezignz
Nov. 26th, 2011 08:03 am (UTC)
If you didn't want to post this to our community, you didn't have to. You always had that right. Even when it was in our queue, you still could have messaged a mod to say 'disregard my post, I'd rather not go public at this time'. Even if people were strongly suggesting you come out with this, you could have said 'not yet I'd like to get more concrete proof'.

The excuse of 'I didn't want to post this to A_B, BUT' is weak and shaky at best. I won't even touch your excuses of your illnesses and mood because those too are signs of a very weak excuse.

Its also very insulting that while people here are attempting to have a civil discussion with you about the validity of these overlays and the accusation of tracing - which is yes very damn serious and therefore deserves this discussion - you are behaving over on FA as if this community is a den of harpies only out to make you look foolish. Twisting the words of the members here to fit your own perspective is awful. And retracting your accusations isn't going to erase the fact you did it!

But you could have handled this whole thing with so much more grace.

And then you mentioned a particular name in here, which changes your post into revealing a shade or two of its true colors... that truly disappoints me.

Edited at 2011-11-26 08:07 am (UTC)
neolucky
Nov. 26th, 2011 08:10 am (UTC)
I don't see the match up, and find this post to be incredibly grudgey, considering the journals made and the Dipper mentions repeatedly. I don't see a dead on trace, but perhaps similar references to the same anatomy structure. Its a very generic pretty-body type, and there's only so many bumps and and curves on a humanoid figure - stylized or no.

I simply do not see this as obvious tracework.
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