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Commissioner who disrespects artists

*Edited some wording as per mod request, and a couple more screenshots*

Who: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bunnynyn/ ; https://inkbunny.net/kibafuryo

What: My version of the image in question is still on my page, and still contains all the drama he brought in, if you're so inclined to read through it. I just thought I'd give everyone a heads up about this guy.

He won a pinup auction from me on November 9th, which was to be finished that same night. He first insists that we discuss the commission via messenger, which is against my policy for personal reasons. He claimed he wanted to be sure we were on the same page and that I got it perfect. I let him know that I've never had trouble following instructions through email, and his request was so simple (going so far as to send me a pose reference he wanted me to basically copy) there was no possible way for me to screw it up. I told him that if he really wanted, I could stream it for him.  Which I did, and finished the piece in under three hours. He was pleased with it, so I then posted it to FA. My TOS states that by commissioning me, the commissioner is giving me the right to post the image where I like, and that they in turn have my permission to post the work on their own page, as long as they give me credit and post a link to my page.

At around 7am EST on Nov 11, my significant other noticed on the front page of FA, that he had uploaded the piece. Only he had added huge black text with his "copyright" info, and a giant SAMPLE across the character. I was kind of annoyed about that, but since this was the first time I've ever had to deal with anybody altering a work I've done for them, I had not covered that situation in my TOS. But he also hadn't credited me in the description. So I made a polite comment requesting that he credit me and upload the unaltered image instead. He hid my comment. So I made another, telling him not to ignore me, and to please respect my wishes or remove the image from his page.

I made a journal to state my displeasure, not once calling him by name. You can see that journal here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2899677/

He removed the image from his page. Then he posted a journal about how nobody was allowed to post any artwork of his "copyrighted" character anymore, or he'd sue them, then posted the link to that journal on the submission in my gallery. Hilarity ensued.
My submission (WARNING NSFW due to penor): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6828416
What he did to it: http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn_kibafuryo.jpg
His journal: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2900787/

He posted a ton of "threatening legal action" posts, even going so far as to copy/pasta some legal gibberish from a law site, as though he'd actually contacted a lawyer, and posted it both as a comment and as a private note. Our conversation went as follows:
http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn1.jpg
http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn2.jpg
http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn3.jpg
http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn4.jpg

He chose not to reply to that last note from me. Instead, he went and edited his profile to say "DUE TO RECENT EVENTS WITH A FEW RETARDS ON HERE I HAVE MOVED TO ANOTHER SITE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS ASK THEN BUT NO LONGER GOING TO DEAL WITH THE DRAMA FEST THAT IS "FA""

I guessed Inkbunny, and wouldn't you know, it wasn't hard to find. He had again uploaded that same altered version, AGAIN without giving me credit. This time he had in the description about how he had to remove it from FA because I had a fit about him uploading it (without mentioning my name). I contacted IB support and had the image removed with no fuss.
Seen here:http://rainbow-mouse.net/misc/bunnynyn/bunnynyn5.jpg
I posted another journal here, still not naming names
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2901363/

Please also be aware that I did not send anybody after them or encourage them to flame him, reply to his comments, or post on his journal. I avoided posting on his journal myself because I was not trying to incite anything.

Again, the situation seems to be resolved for now, until he decides to post the image again, which I have revoked all rights to him being allowed to post anywhere due to his douchebaggery. If you happen to see the image in question uploaded anywhere with his copyright on it, please let me know, and report it if you can. I'm posting it here on A_B because some people have suggested I do so.

I would suggest not taking work from this guy unless you like dealing with a childish whiner who will disrespect your art and then threaten you with legal action.
Why: Not a clue!

Added at Nov 12, 14:00 EST: This has now escalated to the point where he has posted a threatening shout on my FA page (which I have left there to make a point), and trying to reverse the charges on Paypal, which I hope to god they don't take his side, or I'll be on the phone with them. Commissions are my sole income. I don't screw around with this. He has also since nuked his FA account and all the comments he made on my submission, so you're really only seeing half the conversations now. I hope my notes screenshots suffice.

Added on Nov 14, 14:14 EST:
Some people have started accusing me of acting childish and immature in dealing with this, and that because of that, they think I will lose respect, watchers, and commissions. You are all entitled to your opinions of course, but please realize that in actuality, I have had many people come to me in comment and note and tell me that because of how I handled the situation, they WOULD commission me, so I am seeing the opposite results.

I'm sorry if it looks like I have an attitude, but I can assure you that unless you plan to act as this commissioner did, you'd have very little, if any trouble commissioning me. I am very easygoing and friendly, and this is a very extreme case. Ask anybody else who has ever gotten work from me.

And so I do not have to keep responding to the six hour thing (the wait between my comment on his submission and my first journal about respect):

"Six hours after posting a comment on their page, may or may not have been enough time. My concept of time is skewed, given that my "days" don't end (I'm polyphasic), so what feels like days to me might actually only be six or seven hours because I've already "slept" two or three times. I concede that that I could have waited a little longer, but I honestly doubt it would have made any difference, as I'm pretty sure he hadn't read the journal before hiding the comment. I have no proof, but I gathered as much from the way he responded to me."

But in the end, if you still don't like my attitude for whatever reason, enough that you think I warrant a beware of my own, by all means post a topic about me instead of shifting the blame around in this one, which is a totally warranted beware against the commissioner, and my reason for posting here. I can assure you that had not posted here, and if any of you who claim now that my attitude has put you off from commissioning me had been watching me prior to this but was somehow unaware of this situation, you either would have
a) not commissioned me based on my general personality anyway
b) commissioned me and had a fine experience,  because I treat my commissioners with the respect they give me, and I am fairly certain you are all respectable to artists when buying artwork.

So please. I absolutely get the picture that I come off as immature to some of you. That horse has been beaten, and unless my personal watchers/commissioners express displeasure with the way I conduct myself, then I will continue to conduct myself as I have been for the last decade of doing commissions, as it has not been hurting me.
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.
https://artistsbeware.info/

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crazeetyger
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:05 pm (UTC)
If you haven't yet, you may want to screencap his shout on your page. You never know when you may need it.
mosasakkine
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:16 pm (UTC)
Done, and done. Thanks for reminding me.
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feropup
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:18 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely worried, as you can't fight his dispute on Paypal. Do do so would be to admit to paypal that you broke THEIR ToS by using it to purchase adult work.
shukivengeance
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
I think you mean to accept payment for adult work, but you make a good point.
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magickitsune
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
The copyright thing is hilarious.

The paypal thing isn't, though. I hate to say it, you might be in for some trouble. Paypal isn't very good when it comes to digital merchandise. Unless you sent him a physical copy with a tracking number, a lot of times they side with the buyer...They also have a thing about using their services to sell adult content. Though you might be able to get away with calling it an 'artistic nude'. Talking to them on the phone and presenting all of the information in this post might be your best option.

Also, screencap EVERYTHING regarding the transaction so you can prove the commission was delivered.
mosasakkine
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:34 pm (UTC)
Sadly there's a lot of things I didn't get to screencap, because he nuked his gallery. Certainly nothing that would hold up with paypal anyway, because we all use aliases on FA and there's no way to prove it's the same guy. I did explain to paypal that he violated my TOS by not giving credit to me, and that he DID indeed receive the product exactly as specified. I dunno what they're going to decide, but if it looks like they're going in his direction, I AM going to call them.
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foxhack
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:31 pm (UTC)
All I can say is take all your money out of PayPal. Better to be safe than sorry.
claytronic
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
That doesn't do jack shit. If you have insufficient funds, they will yank it straight out of your bank account and your paypal will have a negative balance.
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ducttapeninja
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:43 pm (UTC)
If you haven't yet, I'd highly recommend sending the screencap of the shout he left on your page straight to the FA mods-- After all, if he's done with FA he won't care if his account gets banned for threatening physical violence on users, right?

Also, looks like he's changed the special message on his account to "Hey Furaffinity FUCK OFF AND KISS MY ASS im out this b***h"

Beware absolutely warranted. I think I'd rather eat my own legs than put up with anybody who has this much of an attitude problem. :/
mosasakkine
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:55 pm (UTC)
I sent a trouble ticket as soon as I saw the shout, but by then he'd already nuked himself, so I doubt the mods will do anything. As long as he stays away from me from now on, I couldn't care less.
snowhawk
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
Wow, just... wow. Thank you for posting this.
claytronic
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC)
Man, I feel kinda lucky. All my commissioners have been really chill. Never had one flip out on me
mosasakkine
Nov. 12th, 2011 07:57 pm (UTC)
Up until this point, neither have I. I guess there's a first for everything o_O;
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otherscape
Nov. 12th, 2011 08:25 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a scammer who threw a hissy fit because his scam didn't go the way he wanted. Hopefully Paypal won't take his side either.
lackoflollies
Nov. 12th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
I hope paypal takes your side, since usually they're a little... less then happy to cover the artist in the case of a digital art dispute.
celestinaketzia
Nov. 12th, 2011 08:54 pm (UTC)
Call paypal before hand and explain to them what is going on. Services rendered? Not covered by paypal. They will default to you if you explain to them.
lackoflollies
Nov. 12th, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
^ This
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jahankitty
Nov. 12th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
To add further humor/problems, he appears to have stolen his 'copy written character'.

It bears an *extreme* similarity to the character of http://www.furaffinity.net/user/forceswerwolf/ (Who I am 99.99% sure is not the person in question, since Skunkhase can draw quite well). Also warning, there's a lot of.. fetishy art there in that gallery.

For reference, a link to ForcesWerewolf/Skunkhase's reference sheet: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2750156

Wheras this is Kibafuryo's 'Copywritten character'.
https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=167864

I just wanted to throw this out there as A) This Bunnynyn/Kibafuryo seems to be using someone else's likeness, and I'd hate for Forces to take some misdirected heat due to someone else's asshattery. I've contacted Forces/Skunk warning him someone's using his likeness and claiming its theirs. I have no idea if he'd be able to take any action about it, though.
jahankitty
Nov. 12th, 2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
And now that I've posted that I'm suddenly worrying that I may inadvertently escalate the drama. I hope I haven't acted hastily...
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adzuki
Nov. 12th, 2011 10:36 pm (UTC)
Now, just for my own clarity..would his character actually be a 'trademark' rather than a copyright?

The image itself is copyrighted to the artist the character still belongs to the commissioner, right?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how this person doesn't understand that if they had just posted the unaltered picture, and given credit that all of this would have worked out just fine. Instead he made himself look extremely unreasonable..
slyminera
Nov. 12th, 2011 10:42 pm (UTC)
From what I understand, characters must be registered to be trademarked (as opposed to a copyright which is typically automatically applied upon physical creation) and the character has to be 'unique' enough to even be considered for trademarking. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though!

The commissioner's just making up bullshit in an attempt to scare the artist, that's all it really is.
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thaily
Nov. 13th, 2011 12:40 am (UTC)
I'm surprised no-one has pointed this out yet, but it is illegal to impersonate a lawyer. Sending correspondence as if you are a lawyer or represent a firm is a felony and you can report him to the American bar Association: http://www.americanbar.org/aba.html

Have fun! :D
snowyedges
Nov. 13th, 2011 12:53 am (UTC)
Oh wow, definitely someone I want to avoid (though I only do ferel commissions, anyways, so I don't think I would've had a problem to begin with). Thanks for the warning.
"Hey Furaffinity FUCK OFF AND KISS MY ASS im out this bitch".
Just, really? Urg.

I really hope you get all of this settled soon and that he doesn't wind up (somehow) getting his money back.
mosasakkine
Nov. 13th, 2011 01:50 am (UTC)
I don't think he'll get his money back, but just in case he does, I've already formulated two different "subtle retaliation" plans :P
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poizenkat
Nov. 13th, 2011 04:45 pm (UTC)
well deserved beware.

I'm afraid that your attitude however seems pretty unprofessional. It seems that you posted the journal before he even had a chance to read your comment about giving credit. I think you should have given him time to respond before "freaking out" because things like that only makes people more likely to not listen to you.
Posting journals and rude comments about your commissioners, no matter how bad they are, is really unprofessional and a huge turnoff to people who would otherwise commission you. things like "today's pinup for someone who didn't deserve it. Good job disrespecting me, man. I'll never delete this." is just extremely grudgy and i think you could have acted way better as well and perhaps prevented some of this.

if i misunderstood anything, i apologize!
ljmydayaway
Nov. 13th, 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)
So artists aren't allowed to tell anyone anything ever about any situation they're going through, even without saying anything bad about anyone?

Okay, thanks for letting me know.

No, I'm sorry, but artists have feelings too and they can post whatever they want in their journals. It wasn't unprofessional for Mosa to post about their situation, especially considering that no one was called out for it and they didn't insult anyone in the journal(s).

As an artist, I'd be glad to see it since I'd know to avoid that person in the future, the same reason I watch A_B.

I've seen much more unprofessional, actual grudge-tastic journals being posted by artists who don't seem to care about their reputation at all.
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