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KuroKitten87- Update

Seeing the previous post here, I've decided to update my own issue that I had with Kuro, as found here:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/383027.html

My half from that: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3364785/

==UPDATE==

As of today, over 1 year since my initial A_B post, and 18 months since the trade I made with Kuro, I have still yet to receive anything from her.

Every once in a while, I would try to communicate with her, each time, the conversation dead-ended, if it began at all.

I have a few of these saved: (Take note, I changed my FA username this summer, so that is why there are two different names on this)

February of 2011: http://i.imgur.com/9iA9Y.png
In February, she claimed it finished, and just needed to wait for the recent snowfall to lessen.

April 2011: http://i.imgur.com/PqGY6.jpg
Now she claims to be working on it

July 2011: http://i.imgur.com/cwOoZ.png
This is when I alert her to my changed account (so converation could continue there), and again she claims to be working on it.

September 2011: http://i.imgur.com/GQlH9.png
I note her, with a reintroduction, and explain my contact, it was read, but not responded to.



The problem I have now is what to do. I really only see three options to this:
1. Wait it out to see if anything comes.
2. Chalk it up as a loss (I really do not want to do this)
3. Ask for compensation (*note below)
*The problem with the third one is that I would not know what 'compensation' would be. When I was doing the writing, it would be either as a gift to friends (or for someone for something important) or as a trade. I never exchaned money in any of the cases, so I'd not think it'd be applicable after the fact, and given that it was never in writing.




Edit 1: Kuro has contacted me, about sending out something. I've asked for a preview, and will edit this again once things are sorted out.

Edit 1.5: We've exchanged notes, and I've provided my email. As of yet, I have yet to receive a preview of what she is planning on sending. She said that it would be sent out after she finished babysitting on the 31st. Here is the exchange of notes, her's being in yellow, mine in blue.
http://i.imgur.com/X9M7S.png
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thistlewolf
Oct. 30th, 2011 04:51 am (UTC)
"The problem with the third one is that I would not know what 'compensation' would be."

It can be tricky business (especially since you're working informally within the fandom), but hopefully this can give you some perspective: http://www.asauthors.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=ASP0016/ccms.r?pageid=6054#poetry

Barring figuring out a rate for your writing, you could also ask for the worth of whatever art you were to receive in return.
skirtandzy
Oct. 31st, 2011 07:46 pm (UTC)
Wow, that is a helpful link to know, but I think I am far from being worth those prices. But, I will give the second option a go, if I do not get a timely reply to the last note I sent.

Thanks. :)
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ryunwoofie
Oct. 30th, 2011 05:20 am (UTC)
More excuses I see. Hope she matures a bit, owns up, and delivers something but empty promises. :\ Good luck.
hybrid_xisha
Oct. 30th, 2011 05:41 am (UTC)
After reading this post, the other recent post, and her string of excuses in each, one rather sarcastic question came to mind as a former USPS employee: is her post office EVER open?
mrst4nkr
Oct. 30th, 2011 05:52 am (UTC)
Using those machines to buy postage at 2am is sooo out of the question for her, clearly. Well.. unless one of the machines is not around her area for 20 miles or so. :S
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keaalu
Oct. 30th, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
If you've got it finished, why not just... tell him so? About half of the people complaining about you are doing so because you make excuses, then stop responding to them.
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kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
Im not making excuses, but would it be ok if I just send it without being laminated?
skirtandzy
Oct. 31st, 2011 07:14 pm (UTC)
You've noted me on FA of the same thing, but can I get a preview of what you are planning on sending?
copper_season
Oct. 30th, 2011 03:21 pm (UTC)
And it just keeps getting better and better. Her bewares are completely justified and I hope many people steer clear of doing any type of business with her in the future. I also hope she quits making excuses and actually pays back/gives whatever is owed to those that are still waiting.

How many others have waited a year for what they were owed? Is it their fault they haven't bugged her about it constantly? I mean, she can't be expected to be responsible enough to send payments or badges or art off in a timely manner unless she is constantly reminded about it! No, that would mean she would be a responsible person.
lackoflollies
Oct. 30th, 2011 04:15 pm (UTC)
USPS is nice.. but there is ALSO:
UPS
Fedex
And several dozen other shipping companies and methods of shipping. :/
I just moved from a decently populated area (3k people, which was also 20mins from a town of about 150115 people) to an small town of 800 people and I -STILL- get to the post office. Rain, wind, snow, and no matter how lazy I feel. I just shipped out a tail and a tablet (Priority shipping, mind you) I guess I just don't see the big deal. :/

Also how can anything be closed for a month? We had that string of blizzards last year in the Midwest as well.. things closed for MAYBE half a day, but after that it was business as usual, oh, and the post office was STILL open and attempting to make deliveries.
kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 04:49 pm (UTC)
Because honostly the people in the town I live in that run the city really arent that bright.

I wasnt even able to make it to work durning that time frame. Because it was honostly too dangerous to walk out the front door due to rather large snow drifts.
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kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 04:52 pm (UTC)
Actually No I dont have taxis. So that means you dont really know. the only place that sales stamps here is the post office and I have stamps. And really I will say there arent any buses because the only buses we have here are school buses. Sorry but my town really is that small. and the bigger towns are a bit out of reach to go to every day to the post office.
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kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 05:08 pm (UTC)
Also to those of you that do not read. I sent a comment asking if I can just send it without the lamination.

I wasnt making excuses until some of you decided to make comments on what I had told him in the notes.

The badge is finished, but has no lamination. If he wants me to send it that way I will, if not then I will laminate it for him. I was waiting on his response not yours.

And just so you all know you MAY think that I am this horrible person, but it really doesnt matter what any of you say. Its just your opinions about someone you will probably never even see in real life.

But lets face it. NONE of you can say that youve NEVER made excuses about something in your life and if you say you havent then you are lying, because chances are when you were little you did.

I live in a small town where the population isnt very big. We dont have buses or any of the luxury that a lot of you do simply because the city cant afford things like that. Hell we dont even have a Wal-Mart or any store like that here. This isnt an excuse its more of a description.
puritikoneko
Oct. 30th, 2011 05:45 pm (UTC)
I can sympathize with living in a small town, I really can. As in my above comment, I've always lived in a town where the cow population was higher than the actual residential population. We had no traffic lights, no public transportation, and the only store we had was actually CONJOINED with the local post office, which is going to be closed down.

I don't know about where you live, but "freak blizzards" are a common thing in Western New York, and places are constantly being closed, people are sent home, etc. The thing is, even if you have to wait until the snow stops and the snow plows to get out and do their rounds, even if that takes a WEEK, as soon as the snow let up, sending out what you owed should have been done. I live where it snows sometimes 8 out of 12 months a year, and eventually the snow DOES go away.

And yes, everyone DOES make excuses, but when they're wrong about something, people usually admit to it and when they realize that their excuses aren't making things better they stop. Which is basically what people here are asking you to do. They're not asking you to do anything other than what you said you would do over a year ago- send out what you owe the OP.

I understand that being posted here is something that's both probably scary, infuriating, and perhaps even a little embarrassing. I get that, I really do. But the best thing you can do now is send out what you owe, admit that you were wrong (which you have, so good on you for that!) and stop being so defensive.

Personally, I don't think you're a horrible person. I think you're very irresponsible and should take a better look at how you spend your money and what you spend it on. I believe this discussion came up in one of the previous entries here about you. If you want to spend money, save up, set it aside, etc. If you don't want to be seen as a horrible, irresponsible, defensive person, just get your act together like everyone is asking, and things will eventually settle down. Remember- if you RESOLVE an issue here, it looks GOOD on your part. Dancing around it and avoiding it only makes people look at you and think that you have absolutely no intention on making things better.

And my last little tidbit of advice- Please, please, PLEASE stop saying and acting like you don't care what other people think about you or the situation. It really makes people not want to buy anything from you, trade with you, or even do commission work FOR you. This community is a lot bigger and has more members than you might think, and word spreads in any community. If you want to continue to do business of ANY kind with people in the fandom (FA specifically), START CARING. Because I know that the members here care, and they may refuse to do business with you if you can't show that you're good on you word.
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breakspire
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:08 pm (UTC)
for the "I can't make it to a Post Office problem":

Buy Priority postage online, print it out, affix to the package, and schedule for it to be picked up for free by your mail carrier:

https://tools.usps.com/go/ScheduleAPickupAction!input.action
snowhawk
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:15 pm (UTC)
Also, the post office will deliver Priority packages to your door for free, so you don't even have to buy that.
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tifaria
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:10 pm (UTC)
I guess what I don't understand is, if your post office is unreliable, and you're not working because you're about to have a baby, which means you can't afford gas to get to another post office, then why on earth would you agree to trades, or start running contests that require you to mail out money to people? Really, that's what people are having a hard time understanding. You know what the requirements are for what you're agreeing to, and you know that you're unable to meet those requirements. So why do any of it at all?
kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:15 pm (UTC)
Because at that time I was working. I was able to get gas, but gas still isnt cheap. But I was able to get a bit here and there, but I worked overnight. but as I had stated before. I am going to have to just send it without it being laminated. its finished as are most others, but they arent laminated. so I was asking him if that was ok. I had to redo his a couple of times as well.
banrai
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:23 pm (UTC)
You know, I'm going to step up right now and call a great big "BULLSHIT" on Kuro's whole "There isn't anywhere to mail things from within 40 miles of where I live" sphiel.

She lists in her Livejournal profile that she lives in the town of Muskogee, Oklahoma. You can very easily go to USPS.com and go to their location locator and plug in that city, and find loads and loads of places that accept outgoing post.

https://tools.usps.com/go/POLocatorAction.action

Try it yourself, have a look. All of those places also sell stamps and packing material as well. And, oh look, Staples IS open on weekends. Hell, the post office in the NEXT TOWN OVER (Ft. Gibson) is only 6 Miles away. That sure is a short stretch from 40, huh?

Huh.


Edited at 2011-10-30 06:28 pm (UTC)
kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
Thats what it says because I dont want people to know where I actually live. I dont gie out my address to anyone, unless I have too for something. I am not that stupid. I live in Muskogee County, not the town of Muskogee. I live about 30 miles east of Muskogee. So before you say something like "Bullshit" Ask. There are a lot of people that live somewhere close to a town, but dont want to say exactly where they are from on their profiles so they use a differnet town.

I did at one point live in Muskogee but only for a bout a month or two. I am now back in my small home town.
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claytronic
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)
"I'm making it out"
...
"I'm working on it"
claytronic
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
Ugh, teaches me for typing shit when I wake up.
MAILING*** IT OUT.
wintersnowolf
Oct. 30th, 2011 07:12 pm (UTC)
Still unreasonable. 18+ months, there are no excuses. I take commissions, I take trades. Both get turned out in a decent amount of time.

I live in a small town (population under 5k), yet I can still make it to the post office when I need to :]
Since she gave myself some "tracking number" for my winning contest payment, and she has promised to mail it tomorrow (Monday) I do hope she plans to "kill two birds with one stone" and mail yours off the same day. At least, that's what a responsible grown up would do.

For others peoples reference, here's my link for the A_B unresolved issue I have with this girl as well:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/531876.html
FA post as well: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2857189/

Further: Digging through my notes, I know I mailed her MY contest piece to a P.O. box (with a 2010 census pop. of over 5k FYI). She has stated she has "moved" several times since then, BUT everyone knows that IF she wanted her art that I mailed TO HER PO box (back in May 2010), she would have had to traveled to the Post Office she rented to retrieve it. Interesting...

Again very sorry for your loss of time on account that this individual can't keep her priorities (and excuses) straight.

And no one should be fooled;
She still owes Zoey here: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/365761.html
PKMN collectors Several times here: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/474725.html?thread=264292197#t264292197
And the other two winners from her Wedding contest here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1642572/

So I'm sure there are others I am missing as well. Hope you get your stuff! This is a very well warranted A_B. Nothin' but the facts so its very well warranted.
familliaraver
Oct. 30th, 2011 08:07 pm (UTC)
Just fix it! Identify the problem, FIX IT, identify another problem, FIX IT! Repeat until everything has been FIXED!

(please note I didn't say, identify a problem MAKE EXCUSE, identify another problem MAKE EXCUSE!)
kurokitten87
Oct. 30th, 2011 08:14 pm (UTC)
I have sent a note to him now I am just waiting on his reply. I have been trying to tell EVERYONE posting here that I was trying to fix it.
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