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False Contests: KuroKitten87

First off I am NOT a LJ user much, so please bear with me as I try to post here to A_B appropriately!

WHO: KuroKitten87: Other Affiliate names: kurokedel/coyabbit/coyandkuro

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kurokitten87

WHAT: Contest for a Traditional Wedding art piece with promised Cash Prizes

WHEN: April 28th, 2010

PROOF: 
#1. The initial Contest entry journal: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1369985/ Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azMBKC 

#2. Her asking me directly in a note: http://flic.kr/p/azKH3i 
#3. Contest Ending Soon Journal: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1483748/ Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azKdHF
I have 5 entries so far and I was really really hopping to see more....
#4. The "Contest Winners Soon" Journal: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1641663/ Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azJXnR
#5. My Contest Entry: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3936996/
#6. Noting me that I Won: #1 Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azK89a #2. http://flic.kr/p/azK8dv

#7. Announcement of winners: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1642572/ (I won first) Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azMMru 
#8. Their Replies to my Private notes: Her Reply- http://flic.kr/p/azJZvF And His Reply- http://flic.kr/p/azMEdN
#9. Payed me for a set of Icons: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5078603/ 
#10. Additional Contest #2: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2001990/ Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azMBNA
#11. Additional Contest #3: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2525493/ Screen Shot: http://flic.kr/p/azMBRS 
EXPLAIN: 

Over a year ago I entered in a contest Hosted by KuroKitten87 to draw a picture of her and her mate' Coyabbit and it be 'Wedding themed'. Being nice, I opted to enter. She was offering cash prizes, after all. [See Links #1, #2, #3, #4]


Alas, I had given trust in both of them with the understanding I had to mail the entry in before June 26th for it to count in the contest. So yes, I know this was stupid and the wrong thing to do. Its called Instilling Trust, something I quickly, sadly learned not to do in the furry fandom. So, I mailed the piece out of the goodness in my heart knowing:If I win, I will get paid. [See Links #5, #6, #7] Lo and Behold, I win! Hurray!
So, Having pestered them both a few times hare and there via shouts (nicely of course) several months later, I had decided enough waiting, and sent them this PM to all four accounts I know they own. I had also contacted the other 2 winners who said they have received the same thing: Nothing, for their winning contest entries. Written below is my letter to all their accounts-
Date: October 17th, 2011
I dont have to really say anything:
I won, I mailed you art, and I have YET to receive any payout.
As does the other 2 winners
Yet you have hosted 2 more contests I see.
I am wondering whats up with that. Until you pay, you do not have my consent to repost the art I made and you should do the right thing: Pay up or mail that piece back.
I am sending this note to every account that is connected to you and your husband. If nothing is replied to, opened or this issue is not addressed or resolved at all within a reasonable time frame, action will be taken.
They both replied. [See Link #8]
And His Reply- http://flic.kr/p/azMEdN
I had addressed them both back and had informed them they both had one week to resolve the issue at hand. Its been that time, and I had informed them both already, if nothing had been done, I would go public. I have not been paid, I have not received a tracking number for said payment and frankly, I gave them over a year. And additional week plus a warning was fair enough.
Not to mention! I Know, FOR A FACT their paypal works. Why? Because they PAID ME for a set of icons. [See Link #9] So no more beating around the bush and procrastination on my end. Here's the story and their admission to guilt for not paying me.
ALSO: They had hosted 2 ADDITIONAL CONTESTS. Even after their 'Wedding themed' one and STILL NO ONE HAD BEEN PAID [See Links #10, #11]
So why make a big stink over this you may ask?
Well: I wasted my time; they stole the art basically; have procrastinated enough; and they have not done the right thing yet:
Pay me (and the other winners), or MAIL THE WEDDING ART BACK I MADE AND SENT YOU.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Hence why I have become very wary about anymore "contests"
Bellow are all four accounts listed I know that have ties to "KuroKitten87"
Last thing I have to say to them is this:
How disgusting. You lie, give false non-existent prizes, collect the art and NEVER pay the winners. And, on top of that all, you probably have my piece of art hanging somewhere, look at it everyday, and: How do you look at it and feel good knowing you have stolen from someone?
All in all be WARY of KuroKitten and her false "contests" Period.

#1 EDIT: Additional Images
Last Note I sent her about the contest: http://flic.kr/p/azSmjW 
After that, I hear nothing until: http://flic.kr/p/azSmmN 

I complete her commission in a timely manner, and she states "also I know its been a while since you won the contest.... but I should have enough to send the money next pay day after this^^"

The ball was left in her court. 

Since posting this journal I have received a note saying: http://flic.kr/p/azSzxb

FYI as per Link #1, prize winner of 1st place she claimed would receive "$100 or $75 Depending on how much I have when I come home" From the beginning I have "instilled trust" in a complete stranger. I will keep this post updated with the end outcome of this incident.

#2 EDIT: Additional Images, Again (Probably not *too* important)

Re-reading through more of my note mountain, I see she had inquired about obtaining an Iron Artist slot of mine.

Here, she admits to Having the picture, and her husband "put the wedding pic you did on the wall in the livingroom beside his desk.... as soon as he got ahold of it^^"
Image: http://flic.kr/p/azT5gq 
This was also the last note I ever heard about wanting in my Iron Artist. No transaction of payment nor art was delivered.

#3 EDIT: Additional Images; Shipped my piece to a P.O. Box

Again, just more information: http://flic.kr/p/aAmsb5 
Just to show you, that she took enough initiative to go to the P.O. box she pays to rent (Name, box number, city and zip withheld) to pick up the art I mailed her in May of 2010, but cant go back when she lived there, to mail me a payment back out when I was informed I won. Relevant.


#4 EDIT: Tracking Number Update 

As of 11-1-11, 9:30 EST AM, the tracking number she had given to me seems to have successfully been dropped off at the post office and has an expected delivery date of Tomorrow Nov 2nd. Image:  http://flic.kr/p/aAT77H

#5 EDIT: Issue Resolved

11-2-11 When I got home this afternoon I was pleasantly surprised at the package at my door. Kuro delivered and here is the picture proof: http://flic.kr/p/aBgR9Z

(Proof: Western Union M.O. cashed : http://t.co/v3GSTDI ) 

The hand written note included says what it says and I will say this in conclusion: This all could have been avoided Kuro, by being responsible on your end. I too am sorry it resulted in this, but remember that Actions speak louder than words. Thank you for finally holding up your end.

Admins, please tag this post and the new post as Resolved, thanks in advanced.
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.
https://artistsbeware.info/

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sbneko
Oct. 28th, 2011 09:19 pm (UTC)
I'm not surprised to see her here again. We were pretty good friends before, saw her posted here and tried to get her to resolve things, but I guess that didn't work out at all.

It's very disappointing.
kurokitten87
Oct. 28th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
I actually dont look at the pic every day. I really dont look at it much at all.

I wish you would have at least waited until you recieved your money before you posted this because you said that you would give me at least 2 more weeks to send the money. but like I said on FA your money was sent out today so you will get it next week. Then this will be resolved. For good. I will also send the art back, because I dont really want it anymore. Not after all of this and unless you look at my website when its up you wont ever hear from me again on here or on FA.

Im sorry that people get busy and things happen that they cant control. Because honostly I HAVE been that busy.

but if you really think that I am trying to scam people then by all means think what you want, but Coy had nothing to do with it. It was all my doing. SO he doesnt need to be here.
pocket_entropy
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)

I gotta be honest; while reading the notes Wintersnowolf posted I notice that you mention being busy a lot for various reasons, and they're coming off as excuses. What I would recommend is to set aside some scheduled time each week to sit down and finish work for people and/or pay them. A year and change is really too long of a time to have kept someone waiting, and I think managing your time a little better will really benefit you in the long run.
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sbneko
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
Well, Kuro posted a journal: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2857610/

Kuro, you know you're making excuses. You have shouts on one of your pages by an artist asking for the payment of icons she did recently for you, only a few days ago I believe. This does show you've been spending money on things that aren't necessary.
kurokitten87
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:24 pm (UTC)
No actually I am NOT making excuses. If you will notice that was done a month ago. As she states. We had a huge city wide internet outage so I wasnt able to even go over to my parents house to get online to let her know what had happened. But she knows now. And that has been taken care of, but thats not even what this is about. I honostly havent been using any money on anything other then that one thing.

But I have to bring something up on this and I dont really care if I get flamed on it or not to be honest. But if she is as worried about it as she said she is, why didnt she contact me more about it then ONCE out of an entire year?
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copper_season
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:24 pm (UTC)
I wonder if she has time to pay her bills or does she give excuses to the utility companies that she was too busy to pay? It definitely seems shady that she waited a year to pay you for your winning art work and it's hard to believe that she was so busy she couldn't take five minutes to send you your payment through PayPal or mail it on her way to work or to run errands.
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felonykat
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:26 pm (UTC)
Heh yeah this is why I do not enter contests unless I've known the person to come through with things, know them well. Even then you cannot be sure. They even poked you to enter lol and were so busy to not only pay (over a year come on now :P) but even announcing the winners was taking too much of their time...

I hope you do receive the money and sorry to hear that this happened to you. Sometimes people promise things they don't have or cannot actually give. No one is THAT busy to take so long on handing over awards.
kayla_la
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC)
I've entered several contests before I learned my lesson and NEVER got all my prizes from any of them. I know it's not fair because some people DO do legit contests, but nowadays my mind immediately associates the word 'contest' with 'scam'.
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neolucky
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:32 pm (UTC)
Definitely someone I'd never enter a contest for, or work with. Yeesh. And the excuses above aren't helping the matter - you don't promise a cash prize for contest winnings then simply "get busy". You pay it before you do another contest.
kurokitten87
Oct. 28th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
I havent hosted any more contests. I had an IDEA for one, but never went through with it.
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imlikat
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, beware well-warranted, especially after seeing all the rotten excuses kuro is making in the comments. Blaning the winner for not bugging you about sending their prize money for a year? Seriously? If you say you're going to send some one prize money, that is your obligation, plain and simple.
sbneko
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:02 pm (UTC)
I doubt a store would stay in business if you needed to poke them about your package before they think about sending it :/
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blot
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:04 pm (UTC)
If you are going to make a contest, you need the prize money set aside. You do not touch that money. That money is for your contest.
kayla_la
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:12 pm (UTC)
I'll honestly never understand someone doing something BLATANTLY bad, such as not sending a payment for forever, and then barging in and getting mad as if THEY were the ones wronged somehow. How self-absorbed do you have to be? I'd be falling all over myself to apologize if it were me, not acting put-out that I had to do what I SAID I'd do.
otherscape
Oct. 28th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC)
Well Kuro did say "My logic never makes any sense.", so there's your answer.

Also, how hard is it to write stuff down? If I owed someone a cash prize, or owed anything in general, I'd definitely write it down.
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snowhawk
Oct. 29th, 2011 12:02 am (UTC)
My brain hurts reading the replies from Kuro. "My logic never makes any sense," is the worst excuse, and completely denying all responsibility.

OP, I hope you will edit this entry in a few days if you receive the money. Or in a couple weeks if you don't.
obsidianwolfess
Oct. 29th, 2011 12:05 am (UTC)
Agreed, I want to know if this person actually follows through..
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spiffystuff
Oct. 29th, 2011 12:28 am (UTC)
So... she's claiming payment was FINALLY sent. Did you get a tracking number, OP?
wintersnowolf
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:02 am (UTC)
Negative as of this this moment
Still waiting :)
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jurann
Oct. 29th, 2011 12:43 am (UTC)
I'll just leave this shiny little nugget of wisdom here, something I've had to learn the hard way over many years of online defensiveness:

You are wrong. Everyone knows it, even you. Just apologize for your mistakes and stop making excuses and fanning the flames. All of the defensiveness actually is doing more harm to your image/character than good and it may even cause relationship strife between you and your husband as outside parties pry into your life.

To re-iterate in summation: apologize, own-up, move on.
mdetector5
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:00 am (UTC)
THIS.

I myself had to learn it the hard way.
mdetector5
Oct. 29th, 2011 12:46 am (UTC)
I used to offer contests with cash prizes. It wasn't much, but it was usually what I had on hand, and if I didn't have it, I'd work to get the amounts promised. When I wasn't able to offer cash prizes, I stopped with the contests.

As for entering contest, I had fun, win or lose... but mostly lose.

Based on what I read, people like KuroKitten87 ruin contests forever for people, and that sucks.

Contests can be fun, but yeah, they really should've provided the prizes promised... and stuff like that sucks the fun out of it.
kurokitten87
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:01 am (UTC)
Ok I am going to say this.

I know I should have handled this better. The money has been sent as I told her I would send it out today, but our post office doesnt send things out on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday due to budget cuts they cant. The latest they will send is on Monday. It has a tracking number I wrote down to give to her, but this is here because I dont want people saying that if she checks it and it says that it hasnt been sent out yet and end up calling me a lair again.

I am not saying what I did wasnt wrong. and I dont really care if me saying that I was "Too busy" to send to money is an excuse. Its true and thats really all I care about because I know I am telling the truth.

Also I stand by what I said about if she really was all that worried about it then she should have said something sooner. I am not saying that its her fault. I am just stating my opinion on it. And sadly I have to say thats the way I see it. No one on here cant say that if they havent done something that the person they do it for hasnt bugged them once or twice about it. She NEVER even asked about it when I got an icon commission from her a while back ago. So I have to say that I really believe that she never cared about it until now. And is just NOW making shes a huge deal about it when all of this could have been handled a better way.

I really dont think she should have posted this until after the two weeks she said she would give me to send it in was up. Somewhat on my side that really wasnt fair. And if you dont believe she said that read the note screencaps she posted. Its all there in type.
kayla_la
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:06 am (UTC)
and I dont really care if me saying that I was "Too busy" to send to money is an excuse. Its true and thats really all I care about because I know I am telling the truth.

I'm sorry (well, no, not really) but no. Nobody is that busy. Nobody. If you had time to pay your bills and rent and breathe, you had time to take a few minutes out of your day to send someone a payment. This continuous lying is why people are railing on you.

You are lying. You were NOT too busy. You just didn't bother to get around to it. They're two different things.

Nobody is so busy that they can't send a piece of mail within a year. Nobody.
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mrst4nkr
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:09 am (UTC)
Simply amazing.
Beware well-deserved. Thanks for posting!
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