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Artist - Juindalo


WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/juindalo/

WHAT: Tracing.

PROOF: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6527410 (NSFW) , four poses traced from http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/1566 , http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/374 , http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/174 , and http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/66
And here is an overlay: http://www.star-soup.com/images/etc/juindalo-overlay.png

Just to be clear, I didn't commission him or anything. I just found him through the favorites of other people who had been watching me.
I saw this image: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6527410 (NSFW) and noticed that pose #3 was vaguely familiar. So I looked on my favorite reference website, and there it was.
Posemaniacs is an amazing art reference website filled with all sorts of poses from many angles. And you can click-drag across each pose to rotate it. I use it frequently to reference some poses/angles, or to get some inspiration if I have none. It's an awesome tool.

But this guy isn't just referencing, he's straight-up tracing. As you can see from the overlay, #2-4 are traces. #5 has some changes, so it's not completely a trace. I don't recognize pose #1, so it's possible that he did it himself.

I poked around in his gallery, and nothing else really stuck out for me, but I kind of have the mentality of if someone has one traced image in their gallery, it's possible that there may be more. But, a good portion of it is porn, and good luck trying to find those specific pictures. XD

I wasn't sure if this would be better here, or in art_theft. But I figure that because he's making money off of these, it might do better here.
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Nov. 15th, 2011 01:33 am (UTC)
Proof Of Not Being Traced
I Am just finding this post about me, unfortunately it seems a little late. I would like to clear up the issue of weather or not I traced the images form www.posemaniacs.com

The answer is no I did not. I am a 3D graphics artist and all pose models used in my artwork is my own. Here is a link to the source file with my on models superimposed the exact same way it was done for the posemaniacs one.


I made these models myself, and I can see how there would be some confusion in that they are almost exactly the same. It was most likely due to have just found posemaniacs and browsing through their gallery of poses and getting ideas for some of my own. So when doing the poses for this "wing it" sale, they ere fresh in my mind.
I 100% agree that tracing is NOT a good thing, even for practice in that it creates situations here someone is so used to tracing they rely on it too heavily and then you get into situations where the person/artist whatever begins to make money off of things they have traced/stolen.
I hope this clears everything up, and I would have appreciated someone contacting me to ask me about this. There is a model in my scraps on FA for free use for people to trace, color do whatever they want with (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2446675/) and that should have, in my opinion been taken into account that because I am a 3D artist I create my own 3D models to work off of. Some people may not like that, but I created the models I use so there is really no need for me to use another site's models.
I would really appreciate this post being updated as being resolved if you are satisfied with the proof I have shown. I have also e-mailed and noted the moderators to have this resolved as it is obviously hurting my business.

If you have any other questions or concerns please ask, and I ill be happy to provide any further information that may be needed to show that I did not trace/steal form posemaniacs.com.
Nov. 15th, 2011 01:54 am (UTC)
Re: Proof Of Not Being Traced
I personally feel your linework fits much more closely with the Posemaniacs models than your own, including some anatomical anomalies that are not in the models you made.

As noted in a previous comment, I emailed the owner of Posemaniacs with a general question, and they said they allow use of art derived from their models for any purposes, including commercial. The only restriction is people may not take/use the 3D models, themselves.

The post can't be removed due to our community rules. I can, however, mark the post as resolved, since it is about tracing from legitimate sources.
Nov. 15th, 2011 02:03 am (UTC)
Re: Proof Of Not Being Traced
Your overlay you linked doesn't explain why 2-4 line up PERFECTLY: http://www.star-soup.com/images/etc/juindalo-overlay.png

There's nothing wrong with using your pose-able doll models that you created.
It's just kind of in bad taste to completely trace models from another website without at least citing your sources. Especially for something people paid for. :\

Sorry for this post hurting your business, but it's kind of one of those situations in which you've brought it upon yourself. :\

Anyways, I know a mod has marked this as resolved, so I'm not trying to start a big argument or anything. I just hope that maybe you can see this as a learning experience.


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