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Artist - Juindalo

WHO:Juindalo

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/juindalo/

WHAT: Tracing.

PROOF: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6527410 (NSFW) , four poses traced from http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/1566 , http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/374 , http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/174 , and http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/66
And here is an overlay: http://www.star-soup.com/images/etc/juindalo-overlay.png
(NSFW)

EXPLAIN:
Just to be clear, I didn't commission him or anything. I just found him through the favorites of other people who had been watching me.
I saw this image: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6527410 (NSFW) and noticed that pose #3 was vaguely familiar. So I looked on my favorite reference website, and there it was.
Posemaniacs is an amazing art reference website filled with all sorts of poses from many angles. And you can click-drag across each pose to rotate it. I use it frequently to reference some poses/angles, or to get some inspiration if I have none. It's an awesome tool.

But this guy isn't just referencing, he's straight-up tracing. As you can see from the overlay, #2-4 are traces. #5 has some changes, so it's not completely a trace. I don't recognize pose #1, so it's possible that he did it himself.

I poked around in his gallery, and nothing else really stuck out for me, but I kind of have the mentality of if someone has one traced image in their gallery, it's possible that there may be more. But, a good portion of it is porn, and good luck trying to find those specific pictures. XD

I wasn't sure if this would be better here, or in art_theft. But I figure that because he's making money off of these, it might do better here.
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Comments

spiffystuff
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Wow, posemaniacs looks like a pretty awesome site!

I do have one question - do you have any idea what kind of distribution rights posemaniacs publishes under? I ask because it looks like it could be the sort of place that allows public domain / any use. I just don't know, I looked and couldn't find any copyright info.

Though of course ethically the artist should let people KNOW the commission their buying is from a traced pose, but technically not wrong/illegal if the images are free license.
fetalstar
Oct. 29th, 2011 01:58 am (UTC)
I actually have no idea about their distribution rights. The only thing they really mention is how it's for students and artists who want to practice drawing figures.

I know it wouldn't technically be illegal if it's free license, but it's really bad form to just straight-up trace something if people are paying for it.

I know there's already a huge discussion going on about tracing and stuff, so I'll just leave it at that. XD
sigilgoat
Oct. 29th, 2011 02:13 am (UTC)
Thank you fetalstar! I linked spiffystuff to that entry below c:
sigilgoat
Oct. 29th, 2011 02:13 am (UTC)
All conversation about the ethics behind tracing is limited to this entry: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/530639.html

Please refrain from speaking about that topic outside the designated entry! Thank you! c:
spiffystuff
Oct. 29th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
That post means we are not allowed to try to discriminate between illegal use and legal use in a beware that is solely about tracing?
sigilgoat
Oct. 29th, 2011 03:00 am (UTC)
"Though of course ethically the artist should let people KNOW the commission their buying is from a traced pose, but technically not wrong/illegal if the images are free license."

That's what I'm referring to, in particular! c:
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celestinaketzia
Oct. 29th, 2011 03:25 am (UTC)
Posemaniacs is a nice site, but just be aware that the bodies there are highly idealized. It's good for figuring out weird poses. Not so good to learn anatomy long-term.

http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php

I've been using that to practice as it gives images of real people so you can get a variety of different body types. :3
spiffystuff
Oct. 29th, 2011 03:37 am (UTC)
Thanks! That looks like a good link too :B

Ha ha, yeah, I know the posemaniacs anatomy isn't what most people look like, just like the ability to make a pose and rotate it all around :B
sbneko
Oct. 29th, 2011 06:16 am (UTC)
Do you know if they allow making a profit by using those references?

It gave me a great commission idea where you can get a cheap picture. the pose would be random, whatever comes up and they'd get the picture I do in the time I chose to go with. Of course, I'd make sure everyone knows that I'd be heavily referencing.
(no subject) - celestinaketzia - Oct. 29th, 2011 02:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
thaily
Oct. 29th, 2011 04:29 pm (UTC)
Le bookmark.
starcharmer
Oct. 30th, 2011 06:06 am (UTC)
I had seen and used that site before, but I haven't been able to find it since! Thank you for linking it<3
rhianna_muir
Oct. 29th, 2011 08:34 am (UTC)
There is no mention on the site (that I can find) about distribution rights, but they do have a donate button. My suggestion would be to donate maybe a dollar for every commission you sell based on a pose. That way it helps them keep the site up, thereby giving you a supply of references.
spiffystuff
Oct. 29th, 2011 08:42 am (UTC)
That would be a good idea for Juindalo. I don't trace, myself, and while the site looks good for trying to figure out a few tricky angles, that's mostly for my personal comic work.
kerstin_orion
Oct. 29th, 2011 05:44 pm (UTC)
Contacted Posemaniacs and they're fine with any use, including commercial, as long as one isn't reselling images straight from the site. (Actual wording from them in my comment below.)
spiffystuff
Oct. 30th, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC)
Well! Not illegal then, as far as the proven traces go. Nice work!

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