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I got a note on DA from Tim Hutchings, for a book."everything is dolphins". is this this safe? a scam? there were supposed to be links in the note, but they just said [link]


Hey there,

My name is Tim Hutchings, I'm working on a project called "Everything is Dolphins". It's an art book which uses a mixture of different sorts of artists, collecting artwork from them on the theme of "underwater dolphin adventure". The accompanying text is an RPG game called "Everything is Dolphins".

Here's a similar project I did a while ago:

[link]
[link]

I'm interested in including your above artwork in the project.

Just to let you know that I'm serious about this: I'm a professional artist. I have representation with a fancy NYC gallery, the I-20 Gallery (i-20.com). I've shown around the world, lectured and taught at universities, etc. The last project I did like this turned into a show at the Indianapolis Museum of Contemporary Art. There will almost definitely be a book release party in a gallery somewhere in NYC for this project.

The book will be printed in cover, and should be a hardback 8.5" x 11" in size.

Participation FAQ:
Does this cost me anything? No, of course not.
Do I get paid? Nope, this isn't that sort of thing - none of the artists are getting paid. You will get a free copy of the book, though.
What do I need to do? You need to get a high res file of the artwork to hutchingsonian@gmail.com by November 15th. If it's larger than 10mb, use dropbox or wetransfer.com
What else do I need to do? When you confirm participation, I'll send you a contract. I'll need you to sign and send it back to me by Nov 15th as well. If you are under 18, you'll need to have a parent or guardian sign it.
If I do all this am I guaranteed to be in the book? Actually, no. There's a slight chance that any artwork might be bumped out of the project when layout starts.
Will you change my artwork at all? Probably not. There's a chance that text might get laid over part of it, or that very slight croppings might occur. If anything egregious occurs I'll get your approval before printing.
Why are you doing this again? The book itself is an art project, the whole game of the book is to curate together an interesting group of image makers who may or may not be professional artists, who may or may not be trained to make art, but all of whom have managed to hit an awesome button somewhere in the back of my brain. If I'm sending this to you, it's because something I saw of yours on DeviantArt stuck with me.

(email removed on request)


Best,

tim h
www.timothyhutchings.com
www.plagmada.org


is this something or not what it is?

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slyminera
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)
Scam or not, I wouldn't do it since he has no intention of paying you for something that's going into a book to be sold to other people.

Also sidenote: usually when a link shows up as just [link] on DeviantART that means the text was copy+pasted exactly as it was posted elsewhere on the site (without copying the actual link, just the hyperlink that says 'link').
ducttapeninja
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the fact that the [link]s indicate he just copied and pasted the note from elsewhere comes off as really sketchy to me. If he's supposedly the real Tim Hutchings, and is a real professional artist, he'd know that when you're propositioning someone to contribute to whatever project you're doing, to double-check what you're sending and make sure the links to your examples actually work.

I really doubt this guy is actually Tim Hutchings, if the only proof he has is two broken hyperlinks and the URL for Hutchings' professional website.

OP, do you happen to have the DA username of the person who noted you? It might be worth it to go through their account, look at the date it was created and go through their submissions, descriptions and journals and the like. This could very well be an impersonator.
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thaily
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
"Do I get paid? Nope, this isn't that sort of thing - none of the artists are getting paid."

Bye :I
lurkerwisp
Oct. 27th, 2011 12:41 am (UTC)
This. :|
ducttapeninja
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
What Slyminera and Thaily said-- He wants to use your work to benefit himself with with no compensation given to you or any of the other artists involved. Don't do it.
duster
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
He's expecting you to send him free art for something he's going to profit off of and you won't see a dime of? If he is as illustrious as he proclaims, he'd know he's screwing artists over. And no, ~*FREE PUBLICITY*~ doesn't fly.

This sounds a lot like the Poetry.com scam. Don't do it.
sunhawk
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:18 pm (UTC)
pass pass pass
Oooooo a "free copy" of a book with what may be questionable art that may make you feel embarassed or confused as to why your art is stuck in there as well, SOUNDS AMAZING! WHAT AN HONOUR TO BE CHOSEN BY SOME RANDOM DUDE LOL

I bet he ends up charging a shipping price that magically is exactly the same amount as the book! :X
findmealone
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
I'm surprised he didn't throw in the old "It's good for your portfolio" trope in there, just to polish off the shit sundae of artist exploitation.
eveshka
Oct. 26th, 2011 11:41 pm (UTC)
A quick Google of his email turns this page up:

http://www.skowheganart.org/?page=art-registry&art_work_selected=2659

Which links to this website:

http://www.timothyhutchings.com/TH/Timothy_Hutchings.html

His fancy art gallery in NYC looks like pretty much every other art gallery that fancies itself in NYC, which is to say that if you don't know it is there, you probably miss it amongst all the others sandwiched into a building between a bar and a smoothie joint. (I only wish I were kidding. I looked it up on Google Maps: http://g.co/maps/kke2d )

In summary: Downshift, pass on the left.
poizenkat
Oct. 28th, 2011 12:24 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, I know that general area and I never noticed the gallery XD
houndofloki
Oct. 27th, 2011 12:11 am (UTC)
He's asking you to let him use your art for free in a book that's going to be sold. The only way this would be okay is if he were donating the proceeds to a dolphin charity or something and you're fond of dolphins, but that doesn't appear to be the case anyway.

I'd say no way.
dreamerdragoon
Oct. 27th, 2011 12:16 am (UTC)
"This isn't that sort of thing" - what sort of thing? You mean, legit work sort of thing? XD

No pay, no good :) About sums it up really.
spiffystuff
Oct. 27th, 2011 01:42 am (UTC)
XD I'm gonna go against the grain here a little - I get the impression he contacting you for a piece you already made, not asking you to create one?
Unless the contract signs over exclusive rights to the image, if you are interested and okay with the terms, why not? You don't lose anything and may get a pretty book. :P

Just make sure the contract doesn't exclude your rights to use the image for whatever your own purposes may be.

Just don't expect anything out of it other than the free book.
frazzled_niya
Oct. 27th, 2011 04:27 am (UTC)
ROFL....

Do I get paid? Nope, this isn't that sort of thing - none of the artists are getting paid. You will get a free copy of the book, though.
So the "free publicity" and the "free copy of the book" is supposed to cover the work you did...and who knows how many books will sell for possibly $20-30ea...

Hell no, I wouldn't do it.
epiceternity
Oct. 27th, 2011 10:36 am (UTC)
Yeah, that made me facepalm too! XD
epiceternity
Oct. 27th, 2011 10:33 am (UTC)
Basically he wants free art to create a book. I'd be asking the question of whether the book will be available free to everyone or if it's being sold for a price which means there is profit involved. If there's profit, who is getting it? It sounds awfully like he wants to profit from others work...

There's also the issue of copyright/moral rights and how this going to get assigned. Last thing you want to do is accidentally give these away.

Work in print is good but not if someone else is going to make money off it and you're not going to see a penny. Free publicity? Well as i've done the whole do things for free cos it'll look good in portfolio/ free publicity when starting out and have yet to benefit from any of it so I'm a bit jaded on that one.

I guess there's too many unanswered important questions at this point!
protocollie
Oct. 27th, 2011 12:06 pm (UTC)

EVERYTHING IS DOLPHINS.





EVERYTHING.

alpharaye
Oct. 27th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
This made my day.

And to echo everyone else... No cash, no way.
hebilea
Oct. 27th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
Not only do I agree with most of the people, but there is something about his writing that seems to be kind of odd....how should I describe it? It doesn't sound very formal to me? If you are doing business with somebody, I don't think you should write ways like these.

Just the way he started with "Hey there." That sounds already like you are his friend/doesn't sound very formal and I don't know...shouldn't it start with something like "Dear ___"?

Or other way he says:

"I am serious about this. I am a professional artist." - How does he proof he is a professional artist? If he wold mention some kind of degree he has gotten or something else. The I-20 gallery and whatever doesn't tell me anything about himself really.

"I have shown around the world, taught at unis, etc." - Doesn't tell me anything. It's just too wide explanation to me.

"I have representation with a fancy NYC gallery, the I-20 Gallery (i-20.com)." - When he mentions so much information/corporations/galleries, I think it should be mentioned what those are about. I know that everything can be googled now, but heck, if you write some letter to a random artist with an offer, I think everything should be included. Every little piece of information. And "fancy" NYC gallery doesn't tell me anything either. I would be satisfied if he would say more something liek this: "I am an artist, whose art was shown in I-20, which is a gallery of art in New York City, US." or something along this.

You understand what I mean? I mean from the way he writes, he seems very untrustable and this is not including the part where he says you won't get paid and so on.
celarania
Oct. 28th, 2011 08:19 am (UTC)
My thought is that while payment and such is important, he doesn't cover any of the copyright issues and that's almost as big as whether money will change hands at all. To me that suggests that there might be something he doesn't want to say, or that this is not a legit project and the emailer doesn't know what he's doing.
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