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WhiteFenrril and admitted art theft

The user WhiteFenrril on Furaffinity admitted to me over instant messenger that he traces his artwork.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/whitefenrril

He contacted me and after I looked at his gallery a lot of the images in his gallery looked traced, so I called him out and this is the admission that I received: http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae330/FruityBlergs/stolenartadmissioncensored.png

Most of the commissions in his gallery are TRACED. DO NOT COMMISSION HIM. If you have commissioned this artist in the past please ask for your money back!

I would also appreciate it if the people on this community could help me find the sources of his traced images!
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silverback2001
Oct. 25th, 2011 02:46 am (UTC)
If they're using photographs to trace poses from, and the adding their own details, that isn't stealing. While I haven't done that sort of thing since I was like 12 (I'm 23 currently) and it shows a lack of professionalism and expertise in their field, I think you're overreacting. - Now if they're downright stealing other people's work, that's another matter. But the person in question admitted to tracing to create poses.

For all you know, they took bits and pieces of anatomy together in photoshop, turned the opacity way down, and traced over a cobbled-together image to create their tracing. There isn't any evidence that they are actually stealing, and I think the way that you spoke to them, calling their work "shit" (no matter how low or high quality quality you think it is) in the screencap you posted is just plain rude.

Personally if they can't be proven to have stolen anything, I don't see why people shouldn't commission them if they feel inclined. Sure there are plenty of other artists on FA who may be better or worse, but people can make their own choices.
duster
Oct. 25th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
As a photographer the "tracing photos is okay, tracing pictures isn't" mentality grinds my gears. Photos are art too, time and effort went into photos. Just because it's not a drawing doesn't mean it's free for anyone to rip. Tracing poses = tracing. Don't see how that's okay.

There's a way to reference photos that doesn't involve directly tracing photos.
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lacusdelta
Oct. 25th, 2011 02:59 am (UTC)
He admitted that he traced line for line, and another artist and I are searching for the sources to make overlays now. I posted this as a way of potentially gathering that proof.
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girlomega
Oct. 25th, 2011 03:18 am (UTC)
I think your heart is in the right place but you're going about this all wrong.
lacusdelta
Oct. 25th, 2011 04:18 am (UTC)
I agree and that's why it's good that people like Claytronic put it into better words than I could.
claytronic
Oct. 25th, 2011 03:32 am (UTC)
I know I'm not the only person here who thought "porno trace" when looking at this

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6347137

the foreshortening gives it away
lackoflollies
Oct. 25th, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
Their coloring is, no offense, also a tad of a give away.

It just doesn't look right.
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squirrelly_kaku
Oct. 25th, 2011 03:40 am (UTC)
He's got two things in his gallery that are traced from each other. :x I dunno if there's another picture he traced them from, but yeah.

(Links are NSFW)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2493464/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3590820/
kerstin_orion
Oct. 27th, 2011 01:58 am (UTC)
What gets me, is the older one is more refined than the newer one, kind of like a "copy of a copy"...
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amocin
Oct. 25th, 2011 04:04 am (UTC)
From looking over his gallery, more so the Egyptian stuff, I see high references to how he draws his Jackal heads very closely resembling that of Dark Natasha's work, along with a few of his naga characters having a close resemblance. I have honestly only seen one person (Dark Natasha) draw the heads and more so the years of Jackals like that.

This itself is not proof of tracing, but highly referenced I think is pretty clear.

The other thing that makes me kinda weary is how he can make a very nicely detailed picture one moment, and then one that isnt as high of quality the next.

Its not enough to make me point out Thief, but it does cause me to want to tread lightly when dealing with such a person.
wolf_goat
Oct. 25th, 2011 10:31 am (UTC)
*wary - not weary. Weary = tired, wary = cautious/careful/suspicious.
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cesarin
Oct. 25th, 2011 08:01 am (UTC)
most of the stuff seems to vary from animee poses to porno-traced poses.
astraldescent
Oct. 25th, 2011 09:33 am (UTC)
The porn traces will be damn near impossible to track down unless we have a resident porn expert who has literally seen everything. Porn poses are pretty generic too so it's not like you can immediately recognize stuff. It's blatantly obvious that's what he's doing though.

I do think that people should be told if he is tracing. I wouldn't want to buy a traced commission regardless of what it was traced off of.
celestinaketzia
Oct. 25th, 2011 10:35 am (UTC)
You can google the pose/position and hope you land it on google. Then again, who really wants to sift through pages of porno pics in the hopes of lining it up?
thaily
Oct. 25th, 2011 09:38 am (UTC)
That's a shame, I liked his character's design.
He could probably do some really great stuff if he could cast aside his crutches and learn to draw for himself.

Beware well earned.
xyzillentz
Oct. 25th, 2011 11:08 am (UTC)
Dayum, I commissioned two ref sheets from this guy and I've been using them a lot. It'd suck if they were traces...

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5895373/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4757605/ (NSFW)
sigilgoat
Oct. 25th, 2011 01:20 pm (UTC)
Yes, those look very trace-y, but cobbled together a bit. It's the little details that, with his skill level, he shouldn't know yet to put in that are telltale. And even those are inconsistent (Note the neck details, and the differences in foot construction)

tonic_down
Oct. 25th, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
I am kind of taken back by the tone you used with him at the very beginning.
He simply stated that your art needed work but was still good.
Than you straight up used 'Shit' to describe whats in his gallery.
Traced or not, that's completely uncalled for and rude.
You didn't even have a confession of tracing at that moment and you insulted him over a couple of words.

As well, your telling everyone who has commissioned him to ask for a refund? What of the commissions he said were 'fully original'?
ogawaburukku
Oct. 26th, 2011 10:06 am (UTC)
He doesn't seem like English is his native language... The work doesn't look traced to me because his lines are very sketchy. It looks like he probably eyeballs, but maybe doesn't trace. I wonder if he understood what you were saying.

To be honest, if he is tracing, he isn't very good at it... He seems to be at a very basic level with his art.
sigilgoat
Oct. 27th, 2011 01:52 am (UTC)
Mod Notice
I've frozen the above thread about the legality/morality of tracing now that we've started a discussion post about that very subject here: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/530639.html

Please feel free to continue your discussion there!
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