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Update: skullgrrl

I had hoped that this next weekend I would post a "resolved" post but when I got home from my aunt's funeral tonight I found this message in my inbox:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6110810725/sizes/o/in/photostream/

She refers to a bad-dealings thread on taxidermy.net where the only new message I had posted in reply since posting here and getting to see this dispute nearly resolved was a link to her artists-beware post, pointing out how she had reacted to it. That was going to be my last post concerning her, plus the resolution post when I did get my plush. It seems the post was removed, and I have a few PMs on those forums urging me to post my warning again as my own warning, and not Bob's (I had only been replying to his post about his bad dealings with her to share my own).

Then I found this beauty:
(eta: gender slurs and threats of physical violence in link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6116827145/sizes/o/in/photostream/
the top thread is from her fanpage on facebook and the very bottom of that image is from taxidermy.net. At the top she mentions giving me a day or so, and in her facebook PM the only thing she asks for is me removing my posts.

The images explain themselves, I think, but as I suspect from my first post on her:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html
her local fans are up in arms.

I am unsure what to do at this point. Thoughts?


ETA: Rereading that thread, I do want to clarify the "stay at home artist with no kids" comment that gets mentioned about the other forum as it seems to be lost on some critics: I meant that she was just a stay at home artist, and could not use kids as a valid reason for not working as that would be an understandable reason to me.

ETA2: Re: "wasn't allowed in skullgrrl's group" message below (frozen by mods, due to insults), I was a member and left of my own freewill for personal reasons and then got harassed for it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/

ETA3: so after being temp-banned here for her behavior, she posts this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270163.html
She makes some untrue statements in the comments as well as the main post, though that should be obvious to everyone by now. If there is a comment or statement she made that you want my side to just let me know. She does mention that I apologized to her here in the comments for some reason but I did not do that, at all, as can be seen.

ETA4: she deleted that post on furhideandbone. It got to around 40 comments (that I have saved via email if they're needed for whatever reason), mostly of people telling her to cool off. She deleted it and reposted this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270627.html
So here is a screen cap of the "witch hunt" she deleted from there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6119512262/sizes/o/in/photostream/

ETA5: I'm in the coffee shop now with nyaro and have picked up the plushie. Plushie-wise, this issue is resolved now. I'm in love all over again, it's like when I first got Babette who is my favorite ever.
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.
https://artistsbeware.info/

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skittlewolf
Sep. 5th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
Jesus christ.

Looking at the other posts too, she doesn't seem to be the most professional or nicest person either.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 07:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that as well.
amocin
Sep. 5th, 2011 05:41 pm (UTC)
I think this is very unprofessional, using the kind of language she did is just as bad for her business as any kind of post stating bad service.
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spiritlobo
Sep. 5th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
agreed. She really needs to attitude adjustment and to grow up: FAST.
meguroco
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:13 pm (UTC)
Ouch.

I hope she looks at this post, and realizes the mistakes that she's made.

Even if she did no wrong in your original trade, her response to her Artists Beware post is so vile, abhorrent and unprofessional, that I would never, ever want to do business with her, and I would let others know not to do business with her either.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:15 pm (UTC)
I don't think she one to ever admit being wrong...
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html?thread=18318459#t18318459
(just now got that reply)
breakspire
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
My 2 cents: I have had nothing but professional dealings with skullgrrl.

I have had extremely frustrating dealings with grygon, where long after she bought something from me she also falsely slandered me in public like she seems to be doing here. (http://breakspire.livejournal.com/125094.html) She has a special way of pushing people past their breaking point, so I sympathize completely with skullgrrl on this.

the main issue is whether or not the trade was completed or is being resolved. you didn't mention that
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
And for that incident I did say I was wrong and made this public apology:
http://curio-collector.livejournal.com/92127.html

The only tipping point for skullgrrl, at all, was me posting the first warning. As I mention in that warning, I was at a loss of what else to do since she was not communicating to me at all.

Someone in town is babysitting the doll, she's the one in the thread who asks if she has to give it to me.
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kayla_la
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:38 pm (UTC)
Could black out the names of the others in the second screenshot, as they are real names and might not want them public in such a way when they are otherwise uninvolved?
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 06:42 pm (UTC)
Yes. My apologies. I will do that now, reupload, then edit the post then delete the old pic... give me about 10 minutes...
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mazz
Sep. 5th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Wow regardless of how pissed or upset you are at someone behaving like that does nothing to help your cause.

Damn. I'd mark the original issue as resolved as you got your stuff but the behavior is almost a whole new beware in itself. Very unprofessional.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 07:51 pm (UTC)
I haven't got it yet, actually. Potentially this week I will get to pick it up.

But yes, I thought those threats and name calling over my participation in another bad-dealings post about her from another forum warranted an update.
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dodger_greywing
Sep. 5th, 2011 07:54 pm (UTC)
Name-calling and cursing all over the internet is one thing, but threatening physical violence is just Not Okay. It's not professional and it's not decent. I honestly would never want to work with someone who has threatened to hit another person other a trade gone bad. She's slandering herself there.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
Hey you long time no see!
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celestinaketzia
Sep. 5th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
Wait, reading your post, are you claiming that you "didn't say anything new" except you kept talking about her after you two supposedly resolved the issue? Isn't this like what happened with that person over teenycom when you were talking about her after the fact?

If I am reading that correctly, and this is the case, then I can see why she is upset. Granted, I would have had a lot more respect for her had she not lost it, but I can understand where she is coming from.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 10:48 pm (UTC)
The issue discussed on the other forum was not this one about the plush. It was about her constantly flaking out on transactions (telling people to hold things for her, or that money was on-the-way and then never delivering). Since that was still an issue, yes I was still participating in the discussion.

So, it wasn't similar to the teenycom dispute IMO. I am still asking/searching for screen grabs of the thread (I put the dead-link in a comment, if you have ideas on how to get them).
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otherscape
Sep. 5th, 2011 09:24 pm (UTC)
Holy overreaction Batman!

Now to be fair, based on reading past comments that Grygon made, he can come off as rather harsh, but skullgrrl swearing up and down was still waaaay out of line.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 11:47 pm (UTC)
I've been working on that, and have even earned a few comments from folks who have noticed. :)
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spiritlobo
Sep. 5th, 2011 11:09 pm (UTC)
Wow, what a mess...well, I certainly will NEVER business for/with her, for anything EVER: not now, not in a million years.


I'm not positive about facebook, but I would seriously look into reporting that statement: that's a threat of bodily harm, and something that could get her in a whole hell of a lot of trouble, if not with facebook code or in public society, but with the authorities. And if she IS reading this post, I hope she realizes what a disservice she has done not only her business, but herself.

People read these posts. And people listen to them. I hope she learns this.
grygon
Sep. 5th, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC)
I did a quick search and found a lot of conflicting information... no info on facebook's stand on it. But a lot of stories of people who were not punished for facebook threats, and a lot of stories of people who were punished for facebook threats. Each story involves the law, not facebook admin.

I work with a cop, I will ask him his thoughts on this issue sometime this week and see if he thinks I should pursue anything. I didn't think of that, thank you for bringing it up. And would you let me know if you find any facebook info on it?

She is reading it all, and had this to say over at taxidermy.net:
You are INSANE. You've been disowned by your own sister, all her friends think you are creepy, and you have no real friends. Obviously no one is taking you seriously because I just made three deals with people who have read your posts. I don't even know why I bother... wait, I revise that. I DO know, because I make a living with my craft, traveling and producing, while you are 30 living at home with mom and dad. I hope your anger and ignorance really get you what you deserve one day, if living your life isn't punishment enough.
(I have a save screen grab, if anyone requires it)
She, nor my "sister" actually know me (it should go without saying).
and this to say on LJ:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html?thread=18318459
skullgrrl
Sep. 6th, 2011 12:11 am (UTC)
Gee, I'm done with being pc with you. You are a waste of carbon. Anyone who wants the truth has got to stop listening to you, even in the other forum you started trashing me, people I didnt even know told me publicly that you are an idiot and unreliable.
As for the private forum you weren't even allowed to be in, I can say whatever I want. You just go after people who don't give you what you want. This is standard for you.
And your first warning. The second time I bring it up will be with a lawyer.
You people saying you wouldn't do business with me, your loss. I know my reputation and my supporters, and if it wasn't for this tattle tale freak, I am squeaky clean. I'm sorry all of you got caught in her poison.
kayla_la
Sep. 6th, 2011 12:17 am (UTC)
I have no idea why you thought spewing more insults would be a good idea after your first warning. I'm sure you have the vocabulary necessary to defend yourself in a much more mature, productive way. Please consider doing so.
zydala
Sep. 6th, 2011 01:14 am (UTC)
why won't people take responsibility for their own words?
grygon
Sep. 6th, 2011 01:18 am (UTC)
I wish I knew- luckily most of the lies she is spreading I have screen caps plus her replies in the last post to disprove. The only thing I don't have is screen caps from the other forum but I posted a link (dead link) to where it was if anyone knows how to get a cached page of that thread.
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frazzled_niya
Sep. 6th, 2011 02:09 am (UTC)
Ok wow, still such a big mess. :( Never EVER should someone act as skullgrrl has I don't care how pissed off anyone is acting in such a manner is childish and unprofessional (especially if you are running a business. I would LOOSE my job if I did any of this stuff at work.)

As for other people with issues again the OP. That is a completely DIFFERENT issue to the one the OP is presenting here on A_B and has NOTHING to do with the transaction between them and skullgrrl.
breakspire
Sep. 6th, 2011 09:20 am (UTC)
yep, my mistake! I should have stayed far away from this.
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grygon
Sep. 6th, 2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
I don't know how to throw a punch, so nope, no punching. ;)
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