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Warning; Possible Scam

I was contacted by zerosonic on FA for a commission. They had asked for my prices, and I told them. We had a lenghty discussion, and many, many notes on their subject and set up for their commission. Like all commissions I take, I asked for the payment once we had decided what the commission would be. The price did not change from the price I gave him at the beginning, which he agreed to.

He replied with a simple 'ok', so I figured he had sent payment. I checked the next day, because I had been using my Wii. He hadn't sent it, so I sent off another note asking if he had, that I hadn't gotten it, and if he hadn't sent it, to do so. I got another okay in response.

So I sent off another note being a little more firm, telling him I require payment within 24 hours of the agreed commission and that he would have to send it or I would cancle his slot. Another ok.

Lastly I fired off a 'slot cancled' note, and he responded that he didn;t have the funds to pay for commissions right now. I have no idea if he was trying to scam me or not, but I figured I'd put a warning out anyways, as I have been scammed in this exact way before.

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Aug. 30th, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
IDK. I don't really see this as a scam. I don't do work until I -know- they paid me. Otherwise, I cancel the spot after waiting for a few days.

This would be a good reminder to double or triple check that a buyer has PAID you before you work on something.

Aug. 30th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
Like I said, I didn't do any work for him. I never do work without the cash.
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:12 am (UTC)
Which is excellent. :)
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:56 pm (UTC)
See, I do see this as scam. Regardless of whether the person was actually trying to scam the OP, just seeing if they could get free art, or was just being stupid, it is still a scam.
By replying "ok," to a less seasoned artist or a trusting person, it would seem like the person had sent the money and work may be started. He was being dishonest and trying to scheme his way to get artwork without paying. He should have stated right up front that he did not have the funds for the work, or made it clear that he was just shopping around.
If you knowingly start a commission when you know you don't have the funds and without working out a payment plan with the artist, I consider that a scam. It's basically the same as going to a sit-down restaurant, ordering and eating the food, and then when the bill comes, saying "Oh, I actually don't have any money to pay for the food."
Aug. 30th, 2011 11:16 pm (UTC)
That analogy doesn't work because the art was never done, thus the "food" wasn't delivered. They wasted the artists time, but never got anything thankfully.

It's just not good to assume what the buyer was thinking, or their motives.
Aug. 30th, 2011 11:58 pm (UTC)
I just can't wrap my head around that. Knowing furries like I do, I find it easier to think the guy was either busy or disorganized, and couldn't be assed to give a decent reply.

I don't think this is as much of a scam as this guy is just being inconsiderate of basic courtesy and interaction.
Aug. 31st, 2011 03:01 am (UTC)
I'd disagree. It's much more like going into a sit-down restaurant, looking at their menu, asking the waiter a bunch of questions, then saying "Nevermind, going elsewhere." Nothing was made, there was some discussion of it, but the restaurant is out nothing but the waiter's time. It's certainly annoying, but not a scam.
Sep. 1st, 2011 05:47 pm (UTC)
Not only out the waiter's time, but also out a table for the time the customer was seated there. If the customer takes their time, is there for half an hour looking at the menu and asking questions, that's time that an actual paying party could have been seated, served, and left.

Similarly, with a situation like this, if someone is placed into a slot causing the artist to make mention that they no longer have any space in their queue at the moment, even though the "customer" hasn't yet paid, it's taking up space that could have gone to someone that -would- have paid. So if an actual paying customer missed this round of slots for commissions, they might not check back to see whether or not someone actually paid for theirs, and so there is potential income lost.

What it boils down to for me is that I never consider a slot to be "secured" unless there's some kind of money on it, whether half, full, down payment for large amount, whatever. If there's no money exchanged, the commissioner's not serious enough to be given a slot yet, IMO. Next time, save the slots for folks that are willing to send a payment. :)
Sep. 2nd, 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
Well, I'd say it's a little short to have completely filled another party's order, but that's not the point.

I agree that it's definitely rude, and I don't have any problem with artists asking for a non-refundable deposit to hold a slot. It will help weed out the people who just chat it up, then go elsewhere (even if it's in the $10 range).


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