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Warning; Possible Scam

I was contacted by zerosonic on FA for a commission. They had asked for my prices, and I told them. We had a lenghty discussion, and many, many notes on their subject and set up for their commission. Like all commissions I take, I asked for the payment once we had decided what the commission would be. The price did not change from the price I gave him at the beginning, which he agreed to.

He replied with a simple 'ok', so I figured he had sent payment. I checked the next day, because I had been using my Wii. He hadn't sent it, so I sent off another note asking if he had, that I hadn't gotten it, and if he hadn't sent it, to do so. I got another okay in response.

So I sent off another note being a little more firm, telling him I require payment within 24 hours of the agreed commission and that he would have to send it or I would cancle his slot. Another ok.

Lastly I fired off a 'slot cancled' note, and he responded that he didn;t have the funds to pay for commissions right now. I have no idea if he was trying to scam me or not, but I figured I'd put a warning out anyways, as I have been scammed in this exact way before.

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Aug. 30th, 2011 02:02 am (UTC)
Just curious, but how did you get scammed this way before?
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:42 am (UTC)
Way back in 03 or 04 when I was just starting out commissions, I gave small res finished products and then asked for payment. Apparently a small res was good enough, and the person just kept responding like this guy, and then finally told me he couldn't afford it.

It was my fault, of course. I have never drawn without payment up front since then.
Aug. 30th, 2011 03:01 am (UTC)
Ah, I see. Off topic, but is it hard for new commission artists to get costumers when they take full payment up front? I'd like to take full up front, but because no one would have any experience with me, I'm worried people won't trust me with giving a full payment right away. I was thinking about doing half first, half later until I build a reputation, but I don't want to be scammed like how you did.
Aug. 30th, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
Either take full upfront or half upfront, do half the work, then ask for the other half. You still have the possibility of being scammed but then you're paid for the work you did do.

I don't think it's easier or harder. I took upfront when I first started and did fine, but it also depends on the price. If it's high, people won't want to pay full, just in case. Plus, tons of popular artists have scammed others, so I wouldn't personally say that being a newbie would make it worse.
Sep. 1st, 2011 04:04 am (UTC)
Right now I only have a draft for my prices, but yea, my more detailed and time consuming ones are pretty pricy. It's probably best if I require full pay upfront for smaller price commissions and split the larger ones like houndofloki suggested.
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
What SB said is a good way, but I've only had one person out of every commissioner on FA (aside from two who asked for half and half to claim a slot with lacking funds) who didn't want to pay full up front.

The commission was around $150. I allow half up front and the rest after the sketch is done for commissions like that, so it was 100% fine. So, as you can see, no problems there.

DA, on the other hand, yes. I absolutely do NOT trust anyone on DA, and if the commissioner does not want to pay upfront, I deny them. Too many scammers.
Sep. 1st, 2011 04:05 am (UTC)
Is DA really that bad?
Aug. 30th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
I think offering half upfront, the other half once a sketch has been approved is nice for higher-priced commissions (say $100+), especially if the person has never bought from you before.

Lower priced commissions though, I'd just ask for the money upfront.
Sep. 1st, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
That sounds like a good plan.
Aug. 30th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
In my experience, the commissioners who don't want to pay up front are the ones who are either going to be extra nit picky about everything, or are going to be the ones who will try to scam you.

It's not worth working for those types anyways.
Aug. 31st, 2011 03:00 am (UTC)
As a commissioner who has a collection of 700 pieces of art and one who doesn't like to pay upfront (I am more inclined to do half upfront) as I've had many artists just disappear after details have been agreed on I really disagree with your assessment of character.
Sep. 11th, 2011 12:36 am (UTC)
Sadly, it's mostly correct. You're a rare gem though, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for supporting the fandom, but most people who refuse to pay up front, or half up front, normally won't finish through with their payment, while the artist wastes their time drawing the piece. :(


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