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Warning; Possible Scam

I was contacted by zerosonic on FA for a commission. They had asked for my prices, and I told them. We had a lenghty discussion, and many, many notes on their subject and set up for their commission. Like all commissions I take, I asked for the payment once we had decided what the commission would be. The price did not change from the price I gave him at the beginning, which he agreed to.

He replied with a simple 'ok', so I figured he had sent payment. I checked the next day, because I had been using my Wii. He hadn't sent it, so I sent off another note asking if he had, that I hadn't gotten it, and if he hadn't sent it, to do so. I got another okay in response.

So I sent off another note being a little more firm, telling him I require payment within 24 hours of the agreed commission and that he would have to send it or I would cancle his slot. Another ok.

Lastly I fired off a 'slot cancled' note, and he responded that he didn;t have the funds to pay for commissions right now. I have no idea if he was trying to scam me or not, but I figured I'd put a warning out anyways, as I have been scammed in this exact way before.

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kayla_la
Aug. 30th, 2011 01:58 am (UTC)
Why on earth would he ask and then just keep responding with 'ok' if he didn't have the money? Shady, I'll watch out for him, thanks!
otherscape
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:02 am (UTC)
Just curious, but how did you get scammed this way before?
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:42 am (UTC)
Way back in 03 or 04 when I was just starting out commissions, I gave small res finished products and then asked for payment. Apparently a small res was good enough, and the person just kept responding like this guy, and then finally told me he couldn't afford it.

It was my fault, of course. I have never drawn without payment up front since then.
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neolucky
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:03 am (UTC)
While it's rude to act as he did, this isn't really a scam. No money was exchanged, thankfully. It's just weird and he should have told you he couldn't pay. This sort of thing happens from time to time.

Have you told him you posted him here?
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:45 am (UTC)
He wanted me to draw without him paying pretty much, or so it seemed. Like I said, I'm not sure if he was really trying to scam me or not, but he does have a lot of commissions bought, and I wanted to warn people in case it was.

It's extreme sketchy because he agreed to the price, and then said 'ok' as in yes, he was sending the money. The price did not change from the original quoted $35, which he agreed to.

And no, I have not.
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web_wyvern
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:11 am (UTC)
Sounds like a troll to me. More annoying but less severe then a scammer.
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:45 am (UTC)
He has lots of purchased commissions in his gallery, I don't think he was trying to troll me.
shiftergoddess
Aug. 30th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
I actually had someone do this exact same thing to me last week for one of my adoptables. He sent the payment but not all of it, so i told him i wouldn't send him the high res file until i got the full payment, so he sent me an echeck (i didn't know until he sent the payment otherwise i would not have accepted it) and i told him i wouldn't send the file until payment finished pending.
The day before it would have finished, i get a note saying it was canceled and nothing from him. I noted to ask him and he said "it was his banks fault but wouldn't have the funds to pay for another week or two". Welp, suffice it to say, the adoptable went back up as available and i've heard nothing from him since.

I'm rather wary of people who take up slots and then days later say "oh well i don't have the funds atm." Most people, including myself, don't hold slots without at least some payment. :|
Scam or not, i'm going to write this one down.
mazz
Aug. 30th, 2011 12:56 pm (UTC)
I don't get why you agree to a commission. I've asked people a month in advance if they have commissions open when I get paid and the only time I cancel is if something comes up but I let them know BEFORE they even put me onto a list.

Sometimes shit comes up but knowing you won't have the money "in 3 days" means don't ask.
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shariea
Aug. 30th, 2011 03:36 am (UTC)
He contacted me for a commission as well. It was kinda hard to draw out what he wanted from me. I eventually gave him the pricing after sending notes back and forth. He still wasnt very clear, so gave him the general idea. He said 'okay' and that was the last I have heard.

So no, he didnt just do that to you.
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:05 am (UTC)
Did you get payment from him? I'm sure you're not, but don't draw until you do get it.
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leahtaur
Aug. 30th, 2011 03:56 am (UTC)
This happens all the time. I am constantly having conversations consisting of five or ten notes back and forth about character details and then get "oh I don't get paid until Friday. Please hold my slot!" Then when Friday rolls around I have to hound the person and get "oh I only have $2 after paying my bills, sorry."

Not exactly the same wording as yours but similar. I think your guy likes talking about his characters with a captive audience. He may even think he has the money but doesn't check before contacting you. The problem is these people either manage their money poorly or simply don't take artists' commission process seriously as a business transaction.

I don't think it was a scam. Just a disorganized person who doesn't respect artists' business processes. All too common.
mrst4nkr
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
IDK. I don't really see this as a scam. I don't do work until I -know- they paid me. Otherwise, I cancel the spot after waiting for a few days.

This would be a good reminder to double or triple check that a buyer has PAID you before you work on something.

:)
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
Like I said, I didn't do any work for him. I never do work without the cash.
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westly_roanoke
Aug. 30th, 2011 06:03 am (UTC)
Depending on what they were talking about too, they may not have ever have wanted a commission at all. I've got one person who pages me on a Muck who never actually wants to exchange money, they just want to talk about their fabulous ideas and want you to think they're SO CLEVER that you'll draw their awesome fetish artwork for free. So, maybe they were just looking to talk about their Awesome Ideatm and not actually pay for anything. It's not a scam, just time wasting and annoying.
teekchan
Aug. 30th, 2011 06:39 am (UTC)
He was pretty straight forward that he wanted one. He even asked about the payment options (if he could pay in USD and I'm pretty sure he asked if I took paypal).
millislim
Aug. 30th, 2011 07:11 am (UTC)
I would also agree this isn't necessarily a beware about the customer but more of a warning about a growing trend in the fandom. I understand the need to shop around for the best prices but to waste the time of an artist when you have no intention of paying immediately is rude, insulting, and entitled. I'm not saying commissioners can't contact artists with questions but you don't go to a car dealership, request specs on every car for the next 3 hours and then say, "I never had the money to buy in the first place". Time is money in every business and most furry artists are already way underpaid. I'm not sure why the fandom has to be the exception to every rule.
ljmydayaway
Aug. 30th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC)
Or at least be up front about it, "I don't have the money right now, but if I did, how much would x cost?" is perfectly acceptable.
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thaily
Aug. 30th, 2011 07:37 am (UTC)
I dunno if it's a scam as much as it is people being lax and disorganized and biting off more than they can chew financially because of attempted impulse buys.

I've had the same thing, people take up my time by telling me what they want, mailing me descriptions and then not paying promptly. I tell them "I'll get right on that, just as soon as you send a payment." then it's "Oh I don't get paid 'till the end of the month." and I tell them "Great, I'll start just as soon as I get a payment." and you never hear from them again.

Might be an idea to start posting these people as bewares so they'll stop wasting artists' time.
synviver
Sep. 4th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Might be an idea to start posting these people as bewares so they'll stop wasting artists' time.

Speaking as an artist trying to get started building a client base, I second this idea on the grounds of *really* liking the idea of knowing if people are reliable or not.
mazz
Aug. 30th, 2011 12:58 pm (UTC)
Someone wanting art and when they can't afford it they don't just say, "oh I can't swing that right now I'll hit you up payday"

Some people commission way more art than they need to and furries have put themselves in debt for it.
aurastarlucario
Aug. 30th, 2011 01:55 pm (UTC)
That's weird. o___0
cappucola
Aug. 30th, 2011 06:00 pm (UTC)
I was reading some of the comments here and it looks like he's just bad at communicating in general. :S Not sure if he had scamming in mind, but yeah I agree with everyone else. He should of at least told you he couldn't pay right away instead of dragging it out and wasting your time.
venatorrooc
Aug. 31st, 2011 01:11 am (UTC)
Well, maybe not scamming exactly, but I think I see what he was trying to do if indeed he was trying to do it.
I know I made the mistake once of doing up an icon for someone who was going to commission me (I did a couple other icons successfully the same way) but they said they didn't have the money, wanted me to save their spot 'til Friday or something, and I never heard from them again. Some people who take money after the art is done, same with sketches, certain people will try things like this. It reminds me of trades where one gets art but never receives theirs in return.

Definitely wasted your time though if he didn't have the money/intention of paying/commissioning you.
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