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Aruku is an artist who is well-know by lots of copy/trace behavior in Taiwan.
Because she got caought many times when she copy/trace other people's arts, she left the Taiwan group and being active in DA and FA in these 2 years.
We thought she may change, maybe she got the lesson, but recently, we found many of her arts was copy from other poeple's photos again!

This is an art trade by her:
http://a-ruku.deviantart.com/art/At-The-Borzoi-247025021
The pose is just copy from a photo, without credit giving:
http://i.imgur.com/dIS1s.jpg
And that's what she got:
http://dezzoi.deviantart.com/art/A-ruku-AT-251197192

Another art trade:
http://a-ruku.deviantart.com/art/AT-Wolf-Norf-221180062
The pose is just copy from other people's photo, without permission and credit giving:
http://treke.deviantart.com/art/Wolf-213462688
http://i.imgur.com/jbOjv.jpg
And that's what she got:
http://wolfroad.deviantart.com/art/Noble-hatred-208779049

This is a commission:
http://a-ruku.deviantart.com/art/Commission-Wolf-AkelaTaka-216393159
The pose, of course, copy from other people's photo, without permission and credit giving:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/delvingimages/318085651/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://i.imgur.com/wsybe.jpg

Another commission:
http://a-ruku.deviantart.com/art/Commission-Wolf-Reka-245936608
The pose copy from other people's photo, without permission and credit giving again:
http://greensh.deviantart.com/art/Side-by-Side-239397806
http://i.imgur.com/qi6d7.jpg

Another commission:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6267199
The pose copy from other people's photo, without permission and credit giving:
http://greensh.deviantart.com/art/I-m-Talking-to-You-244296291
http://i.imgur.com/mifXE.jpg

Those are the proof what we found, we believe there are more....
Some parts even could be called tracing, not just getting reference....
http://i.imgur.com/hwskJ.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/vmw4n8.jpg

I'm not mean getting reference is wrong, we all can learn a lot by looking reference.

My point is, we all know if we use ref, we should ask the original's permission, or at least give them credits.
But she didn't, she just got some photos from the net and copy the pose.
So easy, then she got beautiful art trades or money.
I think that is kind of cheating, that is very unfair to other artists who works hard at their arts.
And after we point out these things to her, she just added these words in her art comments:
"I have reference photo of wolf in my work. And all threats, accusations and the like are notified so think before you write to me for there is a risk of notification."
Seems she never learns and still think she is right.

Using references without the original's permission or credit giving is kind of break copyright laws.
Besides we should just use refs for practicing, not for making money.
So that's why I'm here, I just want more people to know this thing.
Please do not commission or trade with her.
Thank you!

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leahtaur
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:20 am (UTC)
Uh, I agree she is referencing too closely and may in fact be tracing. But professional artists of all stripes use references, even in pieces for profit. The difference is that they don't reference as closely as this artist does, and don't use one reference as a crutch for an entire piece of artwork.
leahtaur
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
Again, no argument that what this artist is doing is shady -- I just wanted to disagree with your final paragraph, there.
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eenyuwolf
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:49 am (UTC)
hmmm I have mixed feelings on this. It does seem as though the artist relies heavily on referencing other pieces, but I don't see it as though she is tracing. I see enough of a personal style and differences in the images.

But this also makes me wonder what people think about this topic. For example I will use myself; there is a whole section on DeviantART just for stock images; I'd like to assume that it is implied that these images are up for the general use to the public. I sometimes like to browse through these for ideas for poses or even to help with my anatomy. Should this not be done for commissioned work? Is it alright if sources are always cited?

I wold be very interested in hearing other opinions on this subject.
misteroffense
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:58 am (UTC)
I think if you're using an exact pose from a referenced photo, it should be cited in the artwork's description. If you're just checking a photo to, say, make sure the angle of a foot or hand looks right, then I don't think that's significant enough use of the photo to have to cite the original photographer.

In the case of the artist in OP's post, I would say they need to cite the original photographer that they referenced because their pieces are dangerously close. I may even call some of them tracing. There are ways to trace and still make it look unique. You just trace the basic pose from the photo then flesh it out on your own so every line isn't exact.
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dirtiran
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
If it were for learning purposes only (with credit to photographers), more loosely eyeballed just for a natural pose, or permission from/ credit given to the photographer if it’s this close... I could understand.

But selling such works as commissions and trades, with no mention to the original photographers at all, is rather shady in my opinion yes :/

I always rant when I see stuff like this as = I still don’t understand Whyyyyyyyyyyy people are scared to acknowledge their sources, it won’t make people like your art less, it will show you are an honest artist.

Allot of photographers on deviant art especially can actually be rather happy to allow you to reference for posing ect. Just, like any artist, they wish to have the right to –allow- or –deny- it, and have their due credit :/
And of course, there’s the hundreds of excellent stock artists, who again usually just want credit :/


/end rant Argh! ;)
dirtiran
Aug. 16th, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
I should probably add though, as some may mistake me XD. I am not anti-referencing. Artists should reference, I know many great artists who do. I do, and there are ways other than what this artist is doing, to do so.

Pull up multiple photos to reference, create your own image by taking small tidbits from nature’s way of moving which photo’s express. But just tracing a whole image is not honest, nor leaving much of a window to learn for yourself :/
sephystabbity
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
my two cents on the matter
I agree with you that a lot of artists use reference photos. I do it myself. but this one seems to be very dependent, perhaps too dependent on them, not just using them as a reference, from how accurately the image is copied over from the photo to the art, like every part of one aligns with the other's as if they were laid on top of one another. I feel a little uncomfortable about that level of tracery,

And I don't like that she uses other people's photos without crediting. Using a pose for reference is fine, but if she is going to use a reference this heavy from an image, even a stock image, shouldn't credit be given, if the original poster asks for credit to be given? Even if they don't ask to give it, unless they explicitly state that they don't need to be credited, I think they should be, for this close a copy.
sephystabbity
Aug. 16th, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
Re: my two cents on the matter
Crap this was supposed to be a reply to a comment. Oh well, no point reposting it because it still addresses the matter at hand anways =\
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celarania
Aug. 16th, 2011 05:14 am (UTC)
I think her method of working would be fine if the photos were her own, or from stock she could use commercially. If I had to guess, I would think that some of the problem is that English doesn't appear to be the artist's first language, which makes everything a bit more confusing, at least on her end.
otherscape
Aug. 16th, 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
Except maybe #3 (because I've seen that pose a lot), that's pretty damning evidence of copying without crediting. It doesn't look like she traced it though as her style still bleeds through clearly.

"I have reference photo of wolf in my work. And all threats, accusations and the like are notified so think before you write to me for there is a risk of notification."

Is she planning to report you for pointing this out with while you have evidence to back this up? If it's on DA, chances are the admins won't see pointing out she's a thief as harassment. Though I'd doubt they'd do anything about the theft either.
film2edit
Aug. 16th, 2011 06:10 am (UTC)
Gift art is not illegal.
This is borderline, since they're photos. It can be argued that they're references. There isn't anything illegal about that. However from an artistic stand point, the line art itself is pretty boring and looks copied. That by itself wouldn't prompt me to pay her for a layout.

These are also considered gifts. It's like making a costume of Simba for a friend as a gift. No money was exchanged, and it's copying a major copyrighted and trade marked character.

Unless the original photographers really want to fight it, it probably won't go anywhere.
moonsongwolf
Aug. 16th, 2011 07:25 am (UTC)
Re: Gift art is not illegal.
Photography is protected by copyright just like any other creative art form. From a legal sense, at least in the US, making a drawing based on a photograph is considered derivative work: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf Meaning that she needs to have the permission of the photographer to use the photo for drawing reference if the resulting drawing was obviously created from that photo. However, since she's in Taiwan, there's really nothing to be done about it legally, even if the photographers did mind. It still looks poorly on her to not cite obvious sources or to have the photographers' permission.

Also, maybe I'm just not reading this correctly, but none of the linked images are gifts. The first two are trades for other art and the last three are commissions for money.
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wolf_goat
Aug. 16th, 2011 07:32 am (UTC)
Personally, I don't see any problem with what they're doing. They're not copying the photos exactly, just using the poses and referencing. Yeah, they could probably cite their references but I just don't even think that's necessary when the work is so different from the original source.

Reusing a pose only, especially from a photograph, is not art theft.
dustmeat
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:19 pm (UTC)
It does not bother you that a lot of glaring mistakes in the wolf and dog anatomy are being made because the artist is copying too closely and cannot ad lib without muffing it up?
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wolfofwind
Aug. 16th, 2011 07:55 am (UTC)
Ouch.. that's pretty blatant. :o
thaily
Aug. 16th, 2011 08:26 am (UTC)
Eeeeh, using reference usually suggests using multiple sources to help create an image that doesn't necessarily look like any of them. I daresay some of those lines are a little too close to be referenced, but I'm leaning more towards "lazy" than "dishonest" in regards to the artist's motivations, though not excluding either option.

I do have to say, damn you can get some nice art in trades in exchange for bad photo traces!
dustmeat
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:19 pm (UTC)
Exactly!
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vellacraptor
Aug. 16th, 2011 11:36 am (UTC)
The problem I see here is a lot of people use stock photos and what not, and that's well and good.
But she's dangerously close, and she's NOT using STOCK photographs; DA has a category for that and the images she's using are NOT in that category, nor does the photographer state that there's free use of the images.

I'd say someone note them and see what they think.

Or just leave it and steer clear of her, ha.
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thaily
Aug. 16th, 2011 02:54 pm (UTC)
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obsidianwolfess
Aug. 16th, 2011 02:38 pm (UTC)
I think it's sad that rather than try to learn some basic anatomy, she'd rather copy over a photograph for profit. I feel sorry for the people who traded with her and paid her their hard earned money. It's one thing to reference a photo and redraw it, but you aren't learning anything if you just stick a sheet of tracing paper over a picture.

I feel that, from the last two links, it's pretty obvious that they were traces. http://i53.tinypic.com/vmw4n8.jpg pretty much says it all.
dustmeat
Aug. 16th, 2011 04:16 pm (UTC)
Exactly!
mazz
Aug. 16th, 2011 02:50 pm (UTC)
I use references for poses quite often.

Though I site my sources if I heavily reference a pose from a photo.
If she'd site her sources she would probably be in the clear and it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

Though looking at the overlays yea... those are traces which ISN'T something she should be doing.

Edited at 2011-08-16 02:51 pm (UTC)
mazz
Aug. 16th, 2011 02:57 pm (UTC)
I know DA gives a crap less about art theft but if you report those traced pictures on FA they'll remove them.

We need someone who can speak her language to explain to her that tracing is not legal so she understands more what she is doing is incorrect.
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kayla_la
Aug. 16th, 2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
I always feel weird when these kinds of posts come up because 95% of the time, I don't reference photos or what have you. Usually only when it's something I'm unfamiliar with like a certain animal before I anthropomorphicize it. But normally, the only reference I have up is the character reference of who I'm drawing.

Nothing wrong with using refs, but it seems most people use them a lot, and it's encouraged to be a good artist, but it's just not something I usually think to do, so it's always weird to read the responses and wonder if I'm doing something wrong drawing from just my head most of the time.
sbneko
Aug. 16th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
No, you're not doing anything wrong at all! Everyone is different when it comes to that.

I actually don't use much refs, though I probably should more (to see what the real animals details are etc). I do sometimes reference poses, but majority of the time I don't, especially since most commissioners already have something in mind, if not already an image they want me to emulate.

I more so use them for those difficult, non real poses. As in, kinda floating in the air ones and dynamic ones. But it's because I can't even envision them myself, so after a while I probably won't need those references either.
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