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WHO: Baroo/Doctori-Lightning
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/doctori-lightning/ http://myfur.net/profile/Baroo

PROOF: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/nightfell/Art%20Micellaneous/Baroo_ABpost.jpg?t=1312159399

EXPLAIN:  After putting down non-refundable deposit on a fursuit head commission, Baroo can't decide if he wants to proceed with the order or not. He has cancelled and un-cancelled with me multiple times during this entire transaction and finally sent me a note saying I was " not being slightest bit understanding about this. If you are going to make me wait almost a year for a fursuit head then at least lower the final price or purchase materials to show you are serious about providing your client with the most satisfying service as soon as you are able to." 

I'm honestly baffled and very disappointed that this had to happen. I've done hundreds of art commissions and over 10 suit commissions never had anyone lash out so negatively. 
The MyFur message and FA note screen caps pretty much explain the entire situation, but it gets a little messy/hard to read since there are a lot of one-liners.
May12- I was first contacted by Baroo on MyFur for a fursuit head commission. I provide a quote after being given a reference sheet

May 26- I receive a 20% deposit of $90 via PayPal and confirm that he has been scheduled for October 2011 completion in time for Halloween.

-Baroo contacts me that he might have another head commission opportunity for a cheaper price and asks if the deposit is refundable. I tell him unfortunately not but to let me know of his final decision before the end of the week so I can reschedule my Fall 2011 work queue if needed.

July 13- Baroo officially backs out of the commission and asks for a refund, despite the fact I had already informed him that the deposit was non-refundable. However I told him I was willing to work out an art/fursuit part exchange that totaled $90. He expresses interest and asks for a list of prices which I give him a link for. I take him off the work queue and schedule in another commissioner who wanted fursuit parts from me.

July 14- Baroo changes his mind and decides to get the head commission but wants to pay “ just pay very VERY slowly”. I tell him no problem, I can reschedule him for January 2012 which works well for his budget and since I only deliver completed suits when they have been paid in full.

July 14- Same day, Baroo sends me a My Fur message asking how much I charged for handpaws and for illustration art combos. I’m rather confused at this point since he cancelled with me, wanted the commission again, and now wants to go through with the trade/exchange? I roll with it and tell him to choose what he wants and I’ll give him confirm the price.

July 25- Baroo sends me a FA note saying he wants the fursuit head commission. I tell him fine, but I have to rescind the exception I made regarding the art/fursuit for deposit trade if he decides to cancel with me again.

July 27- Baroo contacts me regarding a conbadge commission. This is somewhat not relevant to the A_B post, since the transaction took place with no problem and the art was delivered.

July 30- Baroo asks if the commission can be done earlier if he pays me more money. I remind him that Oct is already taken and if his financial situation hasn’t changed, I didn’t suggest changing the Jan 2012 deadline.

July 31- I get this note. I recap the situation and inform him to reconsider what his note means and request for him to be patient. He sends me this response and an hour later he says he sends another note saying he still wants the fursuit head.
In my reply, I tell him that I did not want to do business with him and will be refunding his $90 deposit and posting on A_B.

Fellow artists, please be careful when dealing with this individual. 
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.


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Aug. 5th, 2011 02:38 am (UTC)
I know you say your $90 is an nonrefundable deposit but to back out 5 days later without even starting or ordering supplies (or did you?), it seems a little absurd imo to not do it. Obviously this was MONTHS ago but I feel in the process if someone changes their mind before you start/order materials maybe you should refund them especially if they are being this sketchy.

Feel free to yell at me over this since I'm not very savvy on commissioning/being commissioned. Just a thought though.
Aug. 5th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
mte, but I don't do fursuits, so if there's something obvious that I'm missing. :c If someone is trying to back out so soon and items have not been ordered, I'd refund them asap.

Not to say that this person doesn't deserve a beware, because being that flaky is definitely not someone I want to deal with.
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Aug. 5th, 2011 02:56 am (UTC)
just a smidgen off topic..

do you have a queue posted anywhere that your commissioners can access?
so they can see their slot in line & see as work is completed?
Aug. 5th, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
There's a link to her queue on her FA page: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/nightfell/
Aug. 5th, 2011 02:59 am (UTC)
I think your best bet might be just to refund him the 90 and wash your hands of it. I thought that downpayments on suits were to cover materials, which you clearly hadn't ordered since he backed out on you the first time. I don't like how he waffles like this at all and I appreciate the beware.
Aug. 5th, 2011 03:09 am (UTC)
Whoops! I see that you have refunded him. My apologies.
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Aug. 5th, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)
Good call. It's unfortunate that you had to repeat SEVERAL times what you said once before.. :| Beware well warranted. Nothing is worse than a customer that dosen't know what they want....
Aug. 5th, 2011 03:18 am (UTC)
Completely this! If you don't know what you want, either get a commission later or, if you're having trouble with an idea, let the artist think of it.

I've had to give time limits on slots because people would pay me and think it'd ok to take sometimes months to get back to me. I'd rather get to work right away.
Aug. 5th, 2011 03:31 am (UTC)
Man, this person just contacted me to get a quote just a few days ago... Blacklisted.
Aug. 5th, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
And this is why A_B exists. :3
Aug. 5th, 2011 03:36 am (UTC)
It kinda puts me off how angry he got because someone went ahead of him when he decided to cancel. As soon as my time limit end, the slot is available to be resold. I can understand that it fells unfair, but that's what happens when you don't make up your mind (or, in other cases, don't reply to an artist)
Aug. 5th, 2011 06:53 pm (UTC)
That is the part I cannot understand where the heck he is coming from. He ordered something, he canceled his order, so someone else went ahead of him because he canceled his damn order. What, did he expect to have the OP hold his place IN CASE he changed his mind or something?
Aug. 5th, 2011 04:31 am (UTC)
I'm just confused how he got 8 months when I count four? Unless he's adding the additional to wait til October? Even so, them's the breaks. There's that oooooold saying, 'fast, cheap, good- pick two'. ;p
Aug. 5th, 2011 08:37 am (UTC)
He's counting from May/June to January (the new deadline the OP gave him). :P
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Aug. 5th, 2011 12:47 pm (UTC)
Oh wow they did that to you?

This person just recently commissioned me for a set of handpaws.
They tried to back out but I had already purchased materials so they said to still do it.

I guess I'm not surprised, they seemed very flaky when I was dealing with him.
Aug. 5th, 2011 04:41 pm (UTC)
That makes you another to speak up in here about being approached recently. Maybe he's just spam contacting fursuit artists without really thinking about it? That would explain some of the flakiness and constant mind changing if he's trying to proposition and make deals with so many people. :I
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Aug. 5th, 2011 05:11 pm (UTC)
Ugh, serious case of buyer's remorse going on there. It's a pity that you are refunding the $90, but it's probably worth it to be rid of him. He really doesn't seem to understand that you are trying to make money and keep the slots full and that at some point you have to take action based on his decisions.
Aug. 6th, 2011 05:44 am (UTC)
Did I read this wrong, or did this person back out because they found a cheaper artist?? I think that is incredibly rude! It's not YOUR services they want, just anyone's will do... This guy doesn't think anything through. I would not have refunded their money, so you are a better person than I am.
Aug. 6th, 2011 12:05 pm (UTC)
OT, but I keep seeing your icon and love it so much. :o Who did it?
Aug. 6th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC)
Oh wow thats just annoying. You really shouldnt have refunded him, in my opinion. But eh, what can ya do.
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