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Need some advice...

So I got a PM on the Terraria forums, about doing monster designs for someone's indie game company. Here is a screenshot of the entire conversation.

Screenie doesn't include him saying that they'll have a GDD written up in a few days.

And here is a quick link to the website they sent me.

It sounds intriguing, and I've always wanted to do designs for a video game. It just worries me that I'm not going to be seeing any money whatsoever up front. I don't mind getting paid a percentage of the profits (though, to be honest, 5% doesn't really sound like much :X), but I'd like at least something up front as a show of good faith. Especially considering all of the illustrations I'll be drawing. Front/sides/back views of (what sounds like) over 30 monster designs? That's a lot of work for what seems like a gamble.

That and he's only 17 (according to his forum profile).

So yeah, sounds interesting, but kinda iffy. It'd be a pretty cool opportunity, especially if it ended up actually turning into something amazing and selling well.

What do you guys think?
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findmealone
Jul. 29th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)
I know I sound like a terrible party pooper, but I'd never work for someone that young, specially on something as high-workload as a game. He'd have to be a really, REALLY driven guy just to get it going to the point where it makes a profit, so it doesn't look promising - especially if there is no money up front!!
skittlewolf
Jul. 29th, 2011 12:56 am (UTC)
If he is only 17 he cannot enter a binding contract. Thus, if he decides to not pay you, to my knowledge, it doesn't matter since the contact was bunk in the first place.

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.
findmealone
Jul. 29th, 2011 12:57 am (UTC)
I don't know about the US, but I believe this is definitely the case in the UK.
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hellebore
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:01 am (UTC)
Sorry, but I think this is doomed to failure :\
neolucky
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:02 am (UTC)
Sadly, this situation is a dime a dozen. No upfront pay, no way, that's my mantra when dealing with young indie "game company" types (They almost always claim you'll get paid after, and yet want craploads of work done for nothing). And really...%5 of what? Of the profits they potentially will never make?

No. I would not agree to this. The probability this will ever get off off the ground is slim to none.
latiro
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:19 am (UTC)
if he's 17, then why is he having an indie game company? I pretty much agree with others that 5% is not worth it, even for a game that's gonna be completed and makes any money (and especially when he's not paying you upfront for monster designs)
notorious_hunty
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:28 am (UTC)
Nope. What 17 year old would have an indie-game company unless he's filthy stinking rich and and extremely smart enough to come up with that of his own. 5% isn't worth it. I say ditch him.
casteddreams
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Gonna agree with everyone else here. I wouldn't trust it, the whole thing seems iffy and not even set in stone. If he wanted to hire you for this, he should have had more info for you. Not to mention his age and the legalities of that.

I would avoid this if I were in your shoes.
fetalstar
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:39 am (UTC)
Thanks for the advice guys!
I was definitely iffy about it, but yeah, seeing what everyone else thought definitely confirms it for me. If I can't get him to give me upfront money for it, then there's no way I'm going to work for him. Or his "indie company."

And 5% is totally an insult. I highly doubt it'll make a million billion dollars.
neive
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:40 am (UTC)
Honestly, you seem to have evaluated the situation well enough in your own post lol. Its very risky, with chances of no reward or you'll get very little, and ultimately isn't worth the risk and the time. Like others have pointed out too, since he's underage he can't make those kinds of contracts with you legally? I suppose it does depend on where he lives, but it'd be best to err on the side of caution. You have multiple red flags over this, so its probably best to listen to them and turn it down. :c
fetalstar
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:42 am (UTC)
Haha yeah, definitely gonna be a no-go unless I can wrestle some upfront money out of him.

XD
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techno4tomcats
Jul. 29th, 2011 01:44 am (UTC)
Just hashing what everyone else is saying:
17; in most countries he can get away with non binding contracts.
His website is sloppy and gallery is a bunch of stock renders.
5% for concept and designs for a game is laughable; and generally you get paid a flat amount and a cost is agreed upfront in most cases, not a percentage.

In short, nice idea, but definitely NOT a serious business proposal.
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jakejynx
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:03 am (UTC)
Re: Cash upfont
I'm going to be blunt about this.

You are a child. You do not know enough about what you're getting into to make promises like that. You should not be seeking artists without a significant budget already in order. Where are you getting the money for this? You cannot enter into a binding contract with anyone, so it means nothing for you to say "you can trust us, honest!" No one with any real sense would work for you for nothing more than a promise that maybe if the game is ever complete and sells a bunch of copies, they'll get 5% of the profits. No. That's not how it works.

Furthermore, it is so incredibly unprofessional for you to post this here, trying to convince this artist to work for you and promising some "cash upfront in a week or two." If you want to offer that to the artist, contact them directly.

I apologize if you are insulted by this, but you need to understand how ridiculous your situation and your offer is. Frankly, it's kind of insulting to even try to get someone to work for you in this situation.
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sigilgoat
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:04 am (UTC)
I wouldn't go for this either. If the dude is serious, he will start a Kickstarter campaign or something and at least be able to pay you for a few pieces to be shown as examples of what's to come.

It COULD be a great opportunity, but the likelyhood of that is very very low.
chronidu
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:33 am (UTC)
I'd say his age alone makes this an instant deal breaker, byeond all the other red flags and his seemingly inability to conceptualize just how much work he's asking of you.

If you really want to do this, then I'd ask for an hourly wage as well as the percentage.
neolucky
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC)
Darn it, was trying to screenshot the response above, but refreshed and now it's deleted arg. Definitely another red flag from this "pressuregames" fellow.
sigilgoat
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:38 am (UTC)
DANGIT GURL I WAS JUST TYPIN THAT
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sigilgoat
Jul. 29th, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
Serious red flag with the deleted posts too 8\
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