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Jul. 12th, 2011

 
WHO: Venigsun, aka Ravenca

WHERE: is she?

WHAT: $65 fully detailed color commission

WHEN:  June 10 - present

PROOF: work completed so far as compared to her usual standards of completed work

EXPLAIN: Has anyone heard from her directly?  Has she perhaps lost access to an email account?  She's deleted her FA and DeviantArt accounts, moved SoFurry accounts (from Venigsun to Ravenca), and does not appear to be answering emails any longer.  The message on her FA profile seems to hint at life troubles.  A friend of mine (TealSky, the fellow who posted the commission in question) commissioned her back in mid-February, and got the displayed image, with a request for any changes or touch-ups that might be required.  Teal let her know he felt the image wasn't fully completed to the standards he paid for, and she responded, saying she would make the touch-ups and send him the completed image - all very friendly, no problems.  Then she apparently dropped off the face of the internet and will no longer return his emails?  But has had time to remove galleries and post to a new SoFurry account since then (most recent upload was, as of this post, 6 hours ago.)  Even if she's not going to do the 'touch-ups', it would be nice to know.

Thanks for your time, AB-ites.
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hamburger
Jul. 13th, 2011 02:43 pm (UTC)
Her friend had wanted to make a 'beware' post on her behalf here a few days ago. Since we don't allow proxy posts it was rejected, but the way the friend talked it seems she's still in communication with her at least.
hamburger
Jul. 13th, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC)
Oh, and they mentioned in the post that Vengisun was going to be taking a 'hiatus' from the internet... bad form if she's doing this without telling anyone she owes work to.
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jono_m
Jul. 13th, 2011 03:03 pm (UTC)
Violetneko had a similar problem where they bought a piece to be completed by a deadline, but they just commented on stellary's post about it (might be because of the collaboration account stuff)

Also tell your friend to tread carefully or they might end up blocked like violet.
jono_m
Jul. 13th, 2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
http://ravenca.deviantart.com/ they also have a DA page here.

I really don't get why they would bother setting up new accounts straight after quitting FA and leaving several commissioners/trade/collaboration people hanging, they should really be your first priority to sort out.
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thornwolf
Jul. 13th, 2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
She said in recent journals (which have since been deleted I think) that she's just not feeling it in regards to personal artwork but is going to continue doing collaboration work with Stellary as "Emberdusk" on FA. Stellary has direct contact with her and has spoken for her in several recent cases(him? sorry, folks have refered to Ven as both and I'm not sure which it is, sorry if I offend, its not my intention). It might be worth it to contact "Emberdusk". She made a journal addressing her commissioners that she will be issuing refunds as soon as she can to those who have been waiting, and I /think/ completing the ones that are close to completion, but didn't indicate how long that would take.

Her current email is venigsun@gmail.com
candiedmouth
Jul. 13th, 2011 04:27 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the info, i'll have friend contact her at Emberdusk.
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starryknight60
Jul. 16th, 2011 01:33 am (UTC)
PRIVACY POLICY????
"sinabu 2011-07-13 05:03 pm UTC(link) Not in a while but she purchased web hosting through me and is paid through till next year." Oh remind me not to use your web hosting service hmmmm Privacy Policy hmmmmm just saying.... Who else do you have on your books that you want to share with us?
jurann
Jul. 13th, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Apparently they have the time and interest to do a commission auction on FurBuy: http://www.furbuy.com/auctions/1024451.html

See the auction comments for some more interesting drama.
justblieve
Jul. 13th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
With someone else who has a history of not finishing commissions at that
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ducttapeninja
Jul. 13th, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah, not gonna lie... I find it weird that he posts a journal claiming that he hates doing art and that he "threw away ten years of my life for nothing" and then disappears like this, claims he doesn't have the time or interest for it and yet is totally up for doing commissions as this... Emberdusk thing and doing commission auctions.

And apparently, folks who go to Emberdusk with their issue to try and contact Ven only get blocked for "harrassment" because Ven isn't doing art as Venigsun anymore and "Sorry, you commissioned Ven, not Emberdusk, go away."

This has all kinds of sketchy written all over it. :/
lemon_dip
Jul. 14th, 2011 01:46 am (UTC)
kinda ironic its venig and stellary doing emberdusk.
She was collabed with me, gave me a list to do and I was working on them, and then made an official team with stellary and still wanted me to draw for her.

I am not upset, just confused like no other.
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neolucky
Jul. 13th, 2011 07:57 pm (UTC)
Demanding yes, harassment? I don't think so. I would be upset too if the day before my commission was said to be done, that the artist totally dropped everything and hid behind someone else as a "collaborator".

I can see why Violet is upset, and maybe didn't have a good use of tact, but she's well within her rights to try and contact the artist who has really let people down.

I highly doubt this ONE person is the reason Ven is leaving. I believe that it's a result of the several overdue commissions that they are running away from. She could have easily noted Violet to calm her down and explain the situation or perhaps talk to a mod about being bothered, or heck, ignored violet earlier on. This isn't adding up at all to me.

Annoying commissioner or not, is not enough of an excuse for Ven to neglect her duties and prior paid work.
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aerospiritual
Jul. 13th, 2011 08:01 pm (UTC)
from their FurBuy auction page;
"Venigsun is not QUITTING ART. As they have said several times. He is taking a break, refunding his current workload, and is STILL doing work on Emberdusk. Why? Because he has told me (Stellary) personally that he enjoys Emerdusk commissions, and the Emerdusk workload is considerably smaller than his current workload.
DO NOT LISTEN TO VIOLETNEKO. They have done nothing but harass not only Venigsun, but me aswell. And they didn't even commission me, or Emerdusk."

so basically, Venigsun is completely disregarding everyone's outstanding commission in favor of making more money and potentially running off with the money, with an artist who also, has a less than stellar reputation. pun mildly intended.

not to mention that Stellary shouldn't be the one speaking for Venigsun in regards to his commissions, especially when she has /atrocious/ PR skills and is very deserving of her tag here on AB. they're HIS business, not Stellary's, and if she's somehow getting 'harassed'[asking her for so much as a commission update apparently constitues as harassment for her] for it, then it's seriously her fault for involving herself with someone who really can't be bothered to get around to putting closure to his outstanding artwork.

sorry to see that your friend has potentially been burned by this artist. =(
marus_puppy
Jul. 14th, 2011 02:19 am (UTC)
Huh. I probably wouldn't commission anyone involved in this thing (Stellary, Emberdusk, or Venigsun) simply on how they're reacting to the situation. Mightily unprofessional.
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likeshine
Jul. 13th, 2011 08:05 pm (UTC)

her FA profile is very emphatic about not returning :/ which makes no sense if she's/he's uploading work elsewhere.

"Just a quick note: This is not some big drama whinge for attention like some people seem to think. I am going FOR GOOD. I will NOT be returning. Now, before you go complaining on my page, please remember that you DO NOT know me, or even half of what I have been through lately, as much as some people think they do. So if you'd like to complain, then complain to me personally, don't go whinging to my friends or co-workers because they don't need that sort of stress put on them. To those who supported me, thank you. "
kusanagi_sama
Aug. 13th, 2011 03:28 am (UTC)
Venigsun also can't spell whine. Why do people spell it like whinge?
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celestinaketzia
Jul. 13th, 2011 11:29 pm (UTC)
This is the second time he's "left" FA. Getting the art he owed to me since October was like pulling teeth, but I got it eventually. He claimed that she was "getting around" to answering my emails, but I saw him clearly answering those who sent emails after me on the same day.

I had to try multiple times to get him to answer a simple email with "yes, I am still working on your art." MULTIPLE. When I finally got frustrated and left him a shout, he answered me within minutes telling me not to "get upset".

Edit: It appears Venigsun is male? My bad. :x

But honestly? I smell another Starfinder in the making.

Edited at 2011-07-13 11:35 pm (UTC)
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myenia
Jul. 14th, 2011 12:08 am (UTC)
I was able to get ahold of her by email relatively immediately, so I'd suggest she's no answering.

I'd like to second the beware though. She was one of the contracted artists on a project currently in motion, and to keep details to a minimum as the project is still under wraps, she handled her "leaving" very unprofessionally, including leaving other involved artists waiting on her work, lack of communication, lack of correctly recalling contents of email communication, poor attitude, and failure to take responsibility of her actions. In addition, the sketches she provided by the due date reflected none of the ability shown in her gallery, suggesting that her presented work is not solely a product of her current ability. I've been managing art projects in the fandom for 5 years, and it was the most unprofessional behavior and work I've dealt with.
celestinaketzia
Jul. 14th, 2011 12:19 am (UTC)
That is very unfortunate to hear. As far as I am aware, I was the only contest person who received their half of what she's owed. Considering her skill, I am disappointed to see she's dropping the ball in other places.
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lemon_dip
Jul. 14th, 2011 01:53 am (UTC)
kinda upset with this...
we had an agreement to do collabs and I would sketch as she would color some of my work.
She had given me a list of her commissions since she needed help with anatomy so I completed a few sketches.
I have not seen any colors as of yet.
But a day later she collabs with Stellary and I was kinda thrown on the back burner @___@

feel kinda used?
alex_dachshund
Jul. 14th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
I remember her saying in a journal that she was doing collabs with you then she changed her mind and chose Stellary so that really confused me to no end...and I'm sorry that she did that to you. I've been wondering what was the reason she changed her mind like this. :/
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ogawaburukku
Jul. 14th, 2011 04:56 am (UTC)
Sounds kind of like a scam. I'm not familiar with this artist, but it sounds like they make a name, take money to do commissions, don't do the commissions, claim life problems, then delete their account and make a new one with a new name and start the process over. It's times like this, and pretty much only this, that sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica were really helpful for warning many many people about certain artists.

Good luck getting your money back, or your artwork. I take it that's not going to happen, but let us know if you get something back.
spetznas
Jul. 14th, 2011 12:59 pm (UTC)
this is stellary you just described.

So I'll bet those sort of people attract each other, and that's how Venisgun appeared
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missy_da_dane
Jul. 14th, 2011 07:13 am (UTC)
This has happend before on her other account on FA (Mondeis) I comissioned her to do a piece for me and poof she disappers of the face of the earth and says she is not doing furry art anymore. A year later I see art that looks like hers posted of FA so I check it out and she is back so I sent her a note and I did finally get my art but feel bad for all who have commissioned her now because not once did she respond to my emails.
millislim
Jul. 14th, 2011 10:07 am (UTC)
It seems like she/he may have a routine down. I can't say for sure this artist is doing it to purposefully rip people off or if she just hasn't learned her lesson after taking on too much and then having to run from her self inflicted work overload. If this is the first time there has been a BEWARE made, maybe she'll start to think about her work habits. This seems to be a much too common thing in the fandom these days. It's easy to do when you're higher end and the money is good and fast.

I have been playing around with the idea of having my own journal/site that is purely for rating. Sort of like the way Ebay lets you know the reliablity of a seller/buyer from previous transactions. Over time almost all active commissioners would have rap sheets that future commissioners can look to and weigh the risks/benefits. Proof for negative feedback required and no deletion of postings unless an admin finds just cause...

just an idea
sorry if I derailed the comment train a bit
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nataliewalter
Jul. 14th, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC)
SHE (yeah, Venigsun aka Mondeis aka Melissa) obviously uses a different Email addy, try ravenca(at)hotmail.com to contact her. I sent her a PM on her new FA account *it is abandoned again I guess* Firevision a few days ago and she answered straight away, telling me that she is going trough some stuff but not exactly what it is. On the other side I offered her to help finishing the commissions she owes if she sent the files which she hasn't done so I guess she hasn't even started most of the work and I have no clue when she lies, when she is telling the truth blah :|
She also told me that she has intention to refund everybody/finish the artwork she owes but-I wonder how she's ever going to manage when she is piling more and more work on top :(
celestinaketzia
Jul. 14th, 2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
So, what, she quietly changes email addresses and accounts in the hopes that no one will spot her out? That's disturbing.
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