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Reason: I suppose I'm partly to blame in that he seemed very nice and easy to work with. I shouldn't have kept drawing for him after I finished the WIP and there was no payment. I finished shading in the image and he asked for more detail. I went ahead and added extra detail and did the edits requested. I'm not going to lie and say I didn't get irritated with him. Here's the full disclosure after I sent him the reworked image:

Update (the rest of the conversation where he says he's going to pay but...):

Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.


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Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
Approved, but could you please give us a little more information, such as screen-caps of the initial commission chats/notes and notes relating to when you presented the WIP?
Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:01 pm (UTC)
Oops, it looks like your edits did something odd...I can't see any images now.
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:03 pm (UTC)
This is one of the reasons I both take payment upfront and don't price myself so cheap. You get rude, overly entitled customers like these who feel they deserve far more work than they paid for, or didn't pay for, in this case. It kind of sounds like he just wanted free art, to me.

You might want to consider adding a link to the finished image and a screencap of where he originally agreed to pay after a WIP.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:08 pm (UTC)
Ouch. One of my customers wasn't too happy with the end result, but I got to keep the down payment. Always get a down payment first, then sketch, show, if customer approves, you get the final payment, and he gets his picture. Too many phonies out there, as well as people who have no idea what goes into a piece of work. I tend to turn down requests that want me to paint something that's not in my comfort zone :/
Jul. 3rd, 2011 09:24 pm (UTC)
This. I am worried when I open commisions someone will ask me for something I CLEARLY don't draw, and I didn't know if it's ok to just tell them that.

Thanks, this actually helped me! (even if I'm not the OP)
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
Admittedly, how the guy talked to the artist and refused to pay him anything is enough of a beware for me to avoid the guy, though more info is always nice!
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:15 pm (UTC)
This behavior has me disgusted and furious. ( I also had a look at this fellow's page, and he doesn't seem to like life or anything in it. ) He's on my block list on both accounts as of now. What nasty behavior!

How rude to say something like " Oh, I thought your gallery was just full of your sub-par art and you were saving the good stuff for commissioners." He owes you money for your time.

You are a great artist to commission. Maybe consider having people pay half or full if the price is over a certain amount? If they pay all of it up front, you just have to make sure not to spend the money until the art is done- just in case they want a refund or something doesn't work out.

I am so sorry this happened to you.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:17 pm (UTC)

Seriously. If the commissioner hasn't paid a dime for something, and you still want to be trusting, it better have the most obnoxious watermark in the universe in it.
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Looks like this isn't exactly the first time he's pulled this: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2384636/
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:32 pm (UTC)
Wow. WOW.

I hope everyone in the world sees this. What a stinker. I'd really, really like the artistic community to be hip enough to this guy's shenanigans to snap him out of this "I pay for it if I like it" BS.

Edited at 2011-07-03 06:34 pm (UTC)
Jul. 4th, 2011 09:30 am (UTC)
It's absurd to apply that to a plethora of other services out there so I always marvel at how some people think that kind of behavior is okay just because it's an artist. I can't refuse to pay my CPA if I don't like the amount of write-offs he found in my records. He still did my taxes, so I have to pay him!
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:34 pm (UTC)
Oh wow. This guy's both rude and entitled. I'm sorry you had to deal with him. That's unfortunate.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:39 pm (UTC)
There are not enough 'Wows' in the world -- comparing someone's work to shitting? And paying someone for work being 'charity'? What?

I certainly hope this beware gets around.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
That is one very bitter, angry man. Yeeowsh, thanks for this. You'll probably get stiffed on that money, but I don't think dealing with him is worth the $17, as it's apparent he's stuck on his ways.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
Ummmmm wow. :|
Jul. 3rd, 2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
Err to make that less of an empty comment-- I can't BELIEVE how rude that commissioner was. This is exactly why I take payment upfront always.

I *am* curious to see the pictures involved, but even so, the commissioner's attitude is just... appalling.
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:00 pm (UTC)
You know since there is another artist in which he did this to you might want to send those notes to dragoneer and have him look at it. It isn't the first time this jack tard ripped someone off. Maybe a note from an admin or something on the site might make him realize that FA isn't a charity group.

God that guy is just an asshole.. Thanks for the warning I'll be putting him on block on both of my accounts. I hope at least something happends so you get at least something out of this besides a bad taste in your mouth.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:02 pm (UTC)
I understand this guys actions are upsetting, but please refrain from name-calling.
Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:11 pm (UTC)
Ugh, this guy sounds like a real horror. Likening your artwork to 'taking a dump'? That's pretty darn low of him.

Thank you for the beware. He is on my blacklist now.
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:18 pm (UTC)
Man, and you're so NICE, I hate to think of someone being that rude and abrasive to you.

He's definitely manipulative. Looks like he's been getting himself free art this way for a while. I guess he was angry when he wasn't able to get free stuff out of you.

Glancing at his FA journals has shown this is definitely a habit of his.
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Jul. 3rd, 2011 07:17 pm (UTC)
Added to my blacklist, this is one person I'd like to avoid at all costs!
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