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May. 21st, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)
There is no such thing as harassment if you owe the (alleged harasser) person something. That's a real life legal stipulation when it comes to things like filing a restraining order and even online you're entirely allowed to kick up a fuss when you have been scammed. If you got in trouble for it that would be unfair. :/ have you tried contacting a different admin perhaps?
May. 21st, 2011 04:43 pm (UTC)
I'd rather not risk it, FA admins are odd. Also, I didn't message an admin directly, I just opened a Trouble Ticket that hasn't been replied to. Don't really know where to go from here.
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May. 21st, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
"We're gonna have a problem"? What kind of a threat is that? Does she think she's a mob boss or something? Is she gonna come break your kneecaps?
May. 21st, 2011 04:45 pm (UTC)
I don't really know, but that really pissed me off. Though FA's complete lack of action has also pissed me off. She's just spamming journals right now, and I just don't know what to do. :C
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May. 21st, 2011 05:24 pm (UTC)
I've checked it out, and while it sounds like her condition sucks atm, that doesn't make what she's done to you right. An artist shouldn't spend money until the commission is complete.

First things first - have you linked her to your entries? If not, do so. Second thing: ask her to set a deadline for the refund or the commission if she hasn't done so. If not there will be consequences. On that same note, figure out what you can and are willing to do. Are you willing to take her to small claims? If yes, tell her that.

On your end, it legitimately sounds like she has no money and you can't get blood from a stone. Set up with her when she can deliver something to you.

Personally, I'm pretty put off by you. You're still bringing up how you're at the bottom of the list. This isn't editing a old entry, this a new one. You're still bringing it up as injury when we both know it's not. You've add the stuff she's done wrong, what about your mistakes?
May. 21st, 2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
Fine, even though it was a copy and paste, pick at me for it. I'll edit it, no need to get like that. geez. Also, I'm not willing to go to small claims court over $15, that's ridiculous. As you might have guessed, getting in contact with this artist is nigh on impossible, so any type of "arrangement" will not be read unless I somehow grab her attention with something.
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May. 21st, 2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
I've read enough of this artist's shenanigans here to finally unwatch her.

This is friggin' ridiculous. Sorry, I can't stand people who pull stuff like that off...
May. 21st, 2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to get my refund/art and un-watch her. It's ridiculous.
May. 22nd, 2011 12:18 am (UTC)
Meh. I was going to play Devil's Advocate a little, because I still hear October 2010 or November 2010 and my brain doesn't process time well, so I think "Gosh, that's just barely the end of last year", but then I realize it IS halfway through 2011 already.

I see this on A_B a lot. Burnout leads to stress and anxiety, leads to ignoring shouts and notes, leads to avoiding FA and letting the sh*tstorm swirl instead of taking care of it before it turns into a Big Damn Thing.

I wish I could say I automatically go "ugh! Scammer!" when I see these situations, but I don't. All I think is, "She is making this so much worse than it needs to be." Yet another artist ruining their reputation when all it would take is a personal reach-out to every client who is currently waiting. It's honestly all it takes, and it's so much easier than being committed to radio silence and the inevitable addition of MORE angry shouts, more angry notes, and A_B posts.

I wish artists would understand that it's better to take one day to try to get your sh*t in order and reach out to whoever is waiting than it is to keep running. It just gets worse if you run. It always gets worse.
May. 22nd, 2011 12:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, I mean...I didn't want to have to do this, EC made me the first piece of art I ever got, and that was free. But since October 2010? and not a word? I can't just stand around with my thumbs up my ass. I hope she gets more on the ball, because she is a good artist. All she needs to do, as you said, is just let everyone who has been waiting a long time that's she's sorry and will be working on them soon.
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May. 22nd, 2011 01:15 am (UTC)
Oh boo hoo. Poor diddums has taken on too much work and now feels stressed. Cry me a river. I've experienced burnout, severe enough that I received paid compensation for it in fact (work related, pressures put on me, not due to work that I solicited beyond what I could manage). I know what it feels like, and I know what causes it and also how to move past it.

I do think that stress/burnout is an excuse in the short term. I think it can be used as an excuse for a few weeks, but not several months of nothing. If it's that long, there are deeper issues at play. If you can't deal with managing your workload or communicating with commissioners, then working as an artist is not the right career choice.

I've noticed quite a few people who might be good at art, but are hopeless at customer service, negotiation and communication. These people should not take on commissioners as taking money for art is all about communication, negotiation and provision of good customer service.

I don't always think 'scammer' in these situations, but I do think, 'artist needs to learn that actions (or inactions) have consequences.'
May. 22nd, 2011 01:43 am (UTC)
I agree. Not much else to be said. Lol. :D
May. 22nd, 2011 03:27 am (UTC)
You know, with all the commision issues that pop up on FA, (And other places) I'm suprised nobody has tried to creat a commision system. You know: User A and User B log as both a comissionee and a comissioner. User A logs when they Pay, User B logs when they finish the commission. They both check a "Commision successful" box. If one of them refuses or has a problem, they try and work it out, and if that fails, contact a mod.

It just seems more organized than this whole running around with heads cut off situation that goes on here. Disputes exactly like this one could get solved so much faster, and hell, even artists would benefit from an organized list.

Apart from that little tangent-I know how it feels to be burnt out. I think anyone who does art knows what it's like. But if you owe someone you HAVE to get off your ass and finish it. You're not obligated to take them for a 9 month ride. You're no exception. You get payed, you HAVE to get it done. Burn out? Sure, take a week off, clear your head, but don't mope around whining about how commisioners are nasty when you're not doing your JOB. Also if she's so stressed why is she closed to comissions, yet open for REQUESTS and COLLABS from watchers and other people?

Something stinks...

TL;DR? Short version: FA needs some sort of system with all the buisness managed through it, and this Electrocat person is taking on free art things despite being burned out/not taking care of things she has been payed to do first.
May. 22nd, 2011 09:40 am (UTC)
I'd like a system like that too, unfortunately, FA is a lazy site, and so hasn't changed anything in many years. Her being open for requests and stuff is also retarded, as she seems to do them more than her actual commissions. I've contacted 'Neer, but apparently he's at a convention. Also, check my latest update, she's taking a "Few extra days off" because now she has Insomnia...suuuuuuuuuuure.
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May. 24th, 2011 01:39 pm (UTC)
I know how you feel.

She owes me since then. I've gotten the screencaps, but when I later checked on them, I received an error message saying that they do not exist. I have sent her several notes asking about the progress on them. I have yet to this day here something back from her. I have commissioned other artists prior to that. She is the LAST artist that owes me art. I noted the other artists who have started working on them, and gave me a set date when they will get them done. She's constantly opening up for commissions and it really fucking aggravating. I even sat up in her stream and watched her draw some commissions they people have paid right then. I wanted to call her on this, but I did not feel like being attacked by her audience.

I know that if I don't get my commission done, or hear a word from her before this week is up, I'm gonna directly post to her what she owes. If that doesn't get results, this thread should.
May. 24th, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
You should note 'Neer too then, methinks. You can try going down the route I went down, but all I got was a threatening note. :c -- Definitely sucks what she's doing, and I know too well that she's picking up things in stream and doing them instead of working through her huge backlog. If you want to shout on her page and link to this, you're more than welcome. I'm not having any more contact with that woman unless 'Neer doesn't note back.
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Dec. 18th, 2011 02:33 am (UTC)
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